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That was over 50 years ago, a lot has changed since then, police had different laws to abide by, you can't compare something from that long ago and act as though it is occurring on a significant level in present day America.
The Stonewall bar had ties with the mafia as well as prostitution. From a short documentary I just watched on youtube, gays at the bar started throwing pennies and beer bottles at the officers and "grabbing their butts, telling them how pretty they were," that doesn't sound like a very respectful and civil way to act towards authority.
The incident encouraged further rioting which you may see as noble, but I see as illegal and unethical.
Whether or not the police were in the wrong for entering the bar is irrelevant, you never attack a police officer even if he uses excessive force, you abide by the law and hire legal counsel to fight injustice. Lack of respect for authority plagues the younger generations and has played a huge role in current police brutality cases.
What exactly are you insinuating here that is relevant to the cop discussion? Are you saying that the alleged Christian cops over there are not supportive of a homosexual lifestyle, therefore, the LGBT community feels as though those bible belt cops are somehow targeting their community? Straight Americans in that area of the country enjoy different treatment from the police force?
No, I don't believe that there is any evidence out there of police brutality cases involving an alleged homosexual in 2015. I am sure there were some remote cases in the past and maybe one or two here and there where a homosexual would make such accusations but nothing detailed or concrete. Even if there was alleged police brutality case involving an officer and a person of the LGBT community you'd have a hard time proving that the officer used excessive force owing to the victim's sexual orientation, it could just be a disgruntled officer who is a disgrace to the uniform.
...it could just be a disgruntled officer who is a disgrace to the uniform.
First off, I think you should re-read my original post. I made a VERY important and clear distinction that the behaviors I described regarding cops harassing those they disliked, such as 'Mos, Pot-heads and brown people, were attributed to bad cops, not all cops. We are in agreement that any cop who would target someone purely for venal personal reasons is a disgrace. Boot them. That said, let us unpack what else you have to say on the matter.
The Stonewall bar had ties with the mafia as well as prostitution. From a short documentary I just watched on youtube, gays at the bar started throwing pennies and beer bottles at the officers and "grabbing their butts, telling them how pretty they were," that doesn't sound like a very respectful and civil way to act towards authority.
Whether or not the police were in the wrong for entering the bar is irrelevant, you never attack a police officer even if he uses excessive force, you abide by the law and hire legal counsel to fight injustice.
As you watched a documentary on the subject (provided it was a credible one) you would know that the NYPD conducted a concerted campaign against gay bars on the orders of Mayor Wagner who wanted every gay bar in the city closed on whatever pretext necessary. You point out that laws change over 50 years, however, there was no legal reason behind that campaign back then and it was strictly the product of the moral objections of some in power.
Whereas it is true that the Stonewall Inn was owned by a family with mafia ties, raids were conducted not to nail the mob, but to harass and arrest homosexuals with little or no cause as justification. Drag queens were arrested for the crime of wearing women's clothing and if you had no ID you too were headed to the slammer.
That you would blithely ignore that history of official harassment without legal cause, in favor of framing the riot as a groundless hissy-fit of cat-calling homos who should have toe'd the line, completely undermines your own argument that police did and do not target homosexuals, or other minorities. By excusing their behavior you admit that they were behaving badly and they did maliciously target people simply because they didn't like them.
Lack of respect for authority plagues the younger generations and has played a huge role in current police brutality cases.
Younger generations? Dude, this shit happens every generation (I am genuinely curious as to how old you are). Are you objecting to the tendency of the young to act out rebelliously or are you suggesting that anyone that doesn't prostrate themselves before authority is asking to be beaten or shot; that in some way police brutality is the fault of the victim? If so, it is an odd position for a conservative to take considering that it is the Right that continually warns us against government overreach and blind deference to authority.
What exactly are you insinuating here that is relevant to the cop discussion? Are you saying that the alleged Christian cops over there are not supportive of a homosexual lifestyle, therefore, the LGBT community feels as though those bible belt cops are somehow targeting their community?
No, I don't believe that there is any evidence out there of police brutality cases involving an alleged homosexual in 2015. I am sure there were some remote cases in the past and maybe one or two here and there where a homosexual would make such accusations but nothing detailed or concrete.
I'm not insinuating anything. I am flat out saying that there are bad cops out there, pick one or all of three patented Stannis classifications of bad cop, that targets folks they don't like. I've seen it first-hand. Shit, I was with my fraternity brothers partying in Wrigleyville in Chicago when we wandered into Boystown where we saw a couple of Gotham's finest harassing three drag queens. They were mocking those weirdos in wigs in a fashion that led us to believe that they were hoping for a confrontation. It was shocking for us considering it was 2009 in a Blue-State.
Now, I understand you misread my original post and thought I meant all cops in referencing this type of behavior, but if you think this sort of abuse doesn't occur, for whatever reason good cop or bad, then I don't know what to say. Maybe tell @gourimoko that there isn't any racism in this country. But, in any case, here is a study that demonstrates that police harassment of LGBT[][][...] people is very much alive and well, and far from rare, in 2015:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/03/04/us-usa-lgbt-police-idUSKBN0M02JM20150304
not supportive of a homosexual lifestyle...alleged homosexual...
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that you probably think homosexuality is a choice?
The incident encouraged further rioting which you may see as noble, but I see as illegal and unethical.
I don't think you understand me in the least.
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