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[Otsego Mar]

I ain't gay so let's quit that shit right quick.

No gay man sears the shit out of tubesteak like I do.

I'm flattered David, really, but I'm still not interested.

 

[JSS2306]

My apologies, gour. I didn't know that it was something he added later.

Nevertheless, I stand by my point. Accusing someone of racism is very serious and a claim that should be used carefully.

You are calling @JSS2306 a racist. According to you, (unspecified) people agree with you and have so for years. That's not good enough. I have yet to see statements by JSS justifying these claims and I can't remember him ever saying that "we should kill Muslims en masse" (which btw is a disgusting thing to say).

I might have overlooked it though, but it's not my responsibility to dig up the proof. You're the one making these claims and therefore the burden's on you.

Gour simply cannot deal with people who throw facts in the way of his reasoning and opinions. That "white supremist" blog is called theconservativetreehouse. Now, I'm a registered democrat but that website had great information on the Mike Brown shooting as well as other cases while the entire national media pushed the "militant cop" agenda. There was clearly more to these stories and that blog was pretty much on point from the get go. Everything they claimed on the blog came out in court.

I'm not one to dismiss information just because it's from folks who don't share my views. In any case, ever since then, gour parades around calling people racist on the reg because these cases didn't end with the cops frying in a chair. He convinced himself that these were clear cases of wrongdoing and that they would for sure be punished.

Gour is king of manipulating and politicizing things to mask the context in which it was used. He's very racially biased and feels no white man can think for themselves on the topic of race. If they start to wonder what's really going on he's quick to remind us how guilty we should feel.

It's pathetic, tbh.

 

[No Regard]

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I'm not sure how I can get through to you.

What really is absurd, is the fact that there are no such things as you or me, black or white either. They are nothing but abstractions.

 

[gourimoko]

Gour simply cannot deal with people who throw facts in the way of his reasoning and opinions. That "white supremist" blog is called theconservativetreehouse. Now, I'm a registered democrat but that website had great information on the Mike Brown shooting as well as other cases while the entire national media pushed the "militant cop" agenda. There was clearly more to these stories and that blog was pretty much on point from the get go. Everything they claimed on the blog came out in court.

Since when did being a Democrat mean you can't be racist?

Had nothing to do with Mike Brown, but the thread where there was a video of a guy getting stopped by police, running, and being shot to death. The cop is facing murder charges AFAIK..

Again, nice try..

I'm not one to dismiss information just because it's from folks who don't share my views. In any case, ever since then, gour parades around calling people racist on the reg because these cases didn't end with the cops frying in a chair. He convinced himself that these were clear cases of wrongdoing and that they would for sure be punished.

The guy is facing murder charges... And I call you a racist regularly for the aforementioned reasons.

Gour is king of manipulating and politicizing things to mask the context in which it was used.

There's no political angle here. But kind of speaks to your being a "registered Democrat."

He's very racially biased

Please..

and feels no white man can think for themselves on the topic of race. If they start to wonder what's really going on he's quick to remind us how guilty we should feel.

If it wasn't evident by now...

It's pathetic, tbh.

Indeed.

 

[gourimoko]

I'm not sure how I can get through to you.

What makes you think you can't get through to me? I'm glad to talk about whatever you want..

What really is absurd, is the fact that there are no such things as you or me, black or white either. They are nothing but abstractions.

And would you be surprised if I agreed with this completely???

I think to the point I made with Mar is that, while I agree there is no real distinction, the arbitrary difference in color causes difference in treatment.

That, at present, racism is real and is a dangerous and insidious element of our society. So while I agree in theory with what you're saying, in practice, it's difficult to look at the world in a colorblind way when it doesn't return the favor.

If you go back and read my post to Mar and RonG in this thread, you'll get an understanding of my positions on colorblindness..

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Btw, @The Oi, I don't see the term "black community" as inherently flawed, though it could be applied poorly depending upon context.

 

[Otsego Mar]

What makes you think you can't get through to me? I'm glad to talk about whatever you want..



And would you be surprised if I agreed with this completely???

I think to the point I made with Mar is that, while I agree there is no real distinction, the arbitrary difference in color causes difference in treatment.

That, at present, racism is real and is a dangerous and insidious element of our society. So while I agree in theory with what you're saying, in practice, it's difficult to look at the world in a colorblind way when it doesn't return the favor.

If you go back and read my post to Mar and RonG in this thread, you'll get an understanding of my positions on colorblindness..

I don't think there is a difference in treatment based on color (not at least in the way you might think). I think there is a perceived difference in treatment wholeheartedly perpetuated by the media and other political factions for various reasons.

Treatment based on color has ended some 60 years ago, at least in the US. Racism might not be dead, but that is just lunacy (i.e. I don't like white people or I don't like black people).

But I'll point to this - why do I consistently have to be asked what race I am when I am applying to jobs??

 

[gourimoko]

I don't think there is a difference in treatment based on color (not at least in the way you might think).

Are you serious or joking?

I think there is a perceived difference in treatment wholeheartedly perpetuated by the media and other political factions for various reasons.

@No Regard , do you agree?

Treatment based on color has ended some 60 years ago in the US, at least in the US.

And would you like me to prove otherwise? Would you change your opinion if I presented evidence to the contrary?

Racism might not be dead, but that is just lunacy (i.e. I don't like white people or I don't like black people).

I'm not sure what you mean.. It might not be dead? If it isn't dead, doesn't that contradict your previous points?

But I'll point to this - why do I consistently have to be asked what race I am when I am applying to jobs??

Employers do not have to ask this. I personally never fill it out anyway.

But employers that do ask are doing so for various reasons. Some employers, particularly larger corporations, want to ensure fair hiring practices. Upper-management and shareholders aren't conducting interviews for most workers, so by knowing the racial makeup of applicants with respect to what should be expected, they can have some understanding of what races of people are being hired.

 

[Otsego Mar]

Are you serious or joking?

I am not joking.

And would you like me to prove otherwise? Would you change your opinion if I presented evidence to the contrary?

Of course I would change my opinion.

I'm not sure what you mean.. It might not be dead? If it isn't dead, doesn't that contradict your previous points?

What I mean is, behind closed doors 1 race (and by saying 1 race I don't mean the whole race of course) may say they don't like another race (for whatever cacameme reason) but it doesn't mean they are being treated differently by said race (person(s)).

Employers do not have to ask this. I personally never fill it out anyway.

But employers that do ask are doing so for various reasons. Some employers, particularly larger corporations, want to ensure fair hiring practices. Upper-management and shareholders aren't conducting interviews for most workers, so by knowing the racial makeup of applicants with respect to what should be expected, they can have some understanding of what races of people are being hired.

The various reasons are not always "good" reasons. Fair hiring practices, IMHO, isn't exactly reasonable if I have to potentially not hire a worker that is a better fit for the job in favor of a worker of a certain color in order to promote the idea of racial equality.

 

[Pioneer10]

Almost every study I've seen has shown a racial disparity from randomized CV studies where the only difference was name to quick second decision making via shooting range studies.

I disagree with Gour plenty but I think he gets this right. Racism getting better doesnt mean that racism is dead. Nor does it mean that even if racism was completely erased today that it would change negative socioeconomic circumstances tomorrow immediately or many years into the future. Think of the Dalits in India or Gypsies in Europe. Oppressed minorities tend to stay in the lower rung of the socioeconomic ladder and those above them come up with rationales that rarely points at them or their previous generations as a cause

Similarly, the fear of black crime particularly since crime has dramatically come down seems like a powerful force which goed back to gours point about the island.

 

[gourimoko]

Fair enough Mar.. I'll respond later with information that will hopefully change your mind.

 

[Otsego Mar]

Almost every study I've seen has shown a racial disparity from randomized CV studies where the only difference was name to quick second decision making via shooting range studies.

I disagree with Gour plenty but I think he gets this right. Racism getting better doesnt mean that racism is dead. Nor does it mean that even if racism was completely erased today that it would change negative socioeconomic circumstances tomorrow immediately or many years into the future. Think of the Dalits in India or Gypsies in Europe

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Tell me, then, how would anyone know when racism is dead?

Let's say that there was no economy and everything was provided for you for free? Someone shoots someone of another color and a 3rd faction (the media) says it may have been racially motivated. Now what? Your perception must change.

 

[No Regard]

I think there is a perceived difference in treatment wholeheartedly perpetuated by the media and other political factions for various reasons.

@No Regard , do you agree?

Scratch out wholeheartedly, then yes.

 

[gourimoko]

Scratch out wholeheartedly, then yes.

But do you agree that racism is more a product manufactured by the media and less a real experience of millions of people in America? You think the issue is more to do with publication rather than reality?

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

I don't think there is a difference in treatment based on color (not at least in the way you might think). I think there is a perceived difference in treatment wholeheartedly perpetuated by the media and other political factions for various reasons.

Treatment based on color has ended some 60 years ago, at least in the US. Racism might not be dead, but that is just lunacy (i.e. I don't like white people or I don't like black people).

I don't think that's true. There is much less institutionalized racism in that major companies and the government don't have a policy of discriminating on the basis of race. To some extent, the institutions even favor minorities.

But there are still enough white people holding racist views that it disadvantages minorities, usually (but not always) in more subtle ways. Of course there is some racism going the other way but the effects are usually different.

On the other hand, I do think you have a point that media reporting, and especially social media, often distort the prevalence and severity of it. All depends on the news narrative they're pushing at the time

I saw a TV news report a couple of days ago about this black couple who were heading to the hospital because the wan was in labor, and they just weren't going to make it so they pulled over. I think they called 911, because this white cop pulls over, and the dude delivered the baby, cut the cord, etc.. And you see this couple hugging and thanking the cop

It made me feel good for a second, but then it kind of made me feel worse because I knew that it wouldn't get nearly the run a shooting or something would. It's like we almost deliberately look away from the stories that can bring people together and teach us to look for the best in others, and instead focus on the worst.

But I'll point to this - why do I consistently have to be asked what race I am when I am applying to jobs??

Large employers are required by law to report the racial makeup of their workforce to the government via EEO-1 forms. Government contractors also are required to maintain applicant flow data for AAP's..