How Will Attendance Be This Season

[winner0274]

Sure, they should. If you only go to games when your team is a title contender, you're a shitty fan. So I'll fault the fuck out of them.

Indians don't even TRY to be a title contender. How long do you expect fans to support the shit they consistently throw on the field?

 

[Anglefan]

No, the point is the Indians are a lost cause.

Stupid Cleveland fan opinion.

 

[Man Called X]

Stupid Cleveland fan opinion.

Stupid Cleveland fan opinion that doesn't waste money supporting a team that doesn't try, doesn't care, and has no intentions of changing.

 

[Anglefan]

Your opinion is dumb.

 

[MoneyMP3]

Your opinion is dumb.

Your opinion is dumb.

 

[RedBlackAttack]

I think that is true of just about any team tbh. Miami is an exception as there is too much to do in MIA, but in most other markets you put a good product on the floor and the fans will come.

This post is not meant to call you out or anything, but this excuse used in Miami's case always has bothered me.

Miami's being a rotten sports city has absolutely nothing to do with weather or business meetings or people clubbing 24 hours a day, but because it is a transient city with a lot of people coming and going which results in a very static, ever-changing culture. Thus, unlike cities like Boston or NYC or Chicago or Cleveland, Miami's sports teams aren't generally passed down from generation-to-generation as a communal gathering that helps carve out the identity of the city itself.

That isn't to say that there aren't diehard Heat fans, but they simply don't number the hoards of followers in cities that are less transient and the sports teams are literally a way of life, not just something to do on a random Friday night.

The fact is, 70 percent of Miami's residents are either first or second generation immigrants. And, 40 percent are first generation immigrants.

Those are the transient statistics coming from outside the country. Throw in the transients that the city gets from around the U.S. and you get a population that is almost entirely made up of people whose families are from elsewhere.

THAT is the difference. My dad brought me up watching and attending games for all Cleveland franchises, his dad did the same with him and so on...

The sports franchises are a part of the culture in midwestern cities and in big cities like NYC, Philly and LA. You simply cannot have that kind of generational, intimate relationship between a franchise and a city when your population has immediate backgrounds from, not just all over the country, but all over the world.

 

[Rainman]

All depends on the draft and free agency. If they continue to put the garbage that was on the court this year, no will be interested... Get to work Grant!

 

[Huber.]

Exactly my thoughts. I literally face palmed when I read that Indians would be in last for attendance if they were a winning team. Are people's memories really that short?

Ummmm they are a winning team. They are in first place and last in attendance. We are the Pacers of MLB.

Some short memories around here...maybe some of you weren't around for the late 90's early 2000's, 450+ consecutive sellouts...google it if you're not familiar.

Nobody cares about the Indians now that the Browns are back and the Cavs had LeBron and now Kyrie. Baseball is dead in Cleveland. If you think I am just "trolling" go look at the attendance. Teams like KC, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Seattle and others that have been far worse than us last 10 years are well ahead of us in attendance. We are dead last and 6,000 behind the closest to us.....Cleveland is a bad baseball town and won't have a team unless things change.

 

[Mdog1]

This post is not meant to call you out or anything, but this excuse used in Miami's case always has bothered me.

Miami's being a rotten sports city has absolutely nothing to do with weather or business meetings or people clubbing 24 hours a day, but because it is a transient city with a lot of people coming and going which results in a very static, ever-changing culture. Thus, unlike cities like Boston or NYC or Chicago or Cleveland, Miami's sports teams aren't generally passed down from generation-to-generation as a communal gathering that helps carve out the identity of the city itself.

That isn't to say that there aren't diehard Heat fans, but they simply don't number the hoards of followers in cities that are less transient and the sports teams are literally a way of life, not just something to do on a random Friday night.

The fact is, 70 percent of Miami's residents are either first or second generation immigrants. And, 40 percent are first generation immigrants.

Those are the transient statistics coming from outside the country. Throw in the transients that the city gets from around the U.S. and you get a population that is almost entirely made up of people whose families are from elsewhere.

THAT is the difference. My dad brought me up watching and attending games for all Cleveland franchises, his dad did the same with him and so on...

The sports franchises are a part of the culture in midwestern cities and in big cities like NYC, Philly and LA. You simply cannot have that kind of generational, intimate relationship between a franchise and a city when your population has immediate backgrounds from, not just all over the country, but all over the world.

This is a very interesting post to me. I never gave much thought to why Miami was such a lousy sports city. I just assumed it was the beaches, clubs, etc.

 

[Giambiwannabe7]

Ummmm they are a winning team. They are in first place and last in attendance. We are the Pacers of MLB.




Nobody cares about the Indians now that the Browns are back and the Cavs had LeBron and now Kyrie. Baseball is dead in Cleveland. If you think I am just "trolling" go look at the attendance. Teams like KC, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Seattle and others that have been far worse than us last 10 years are well ahead of us in attendance. We are dead last and 6,000 behind the closest to us.....Cleveland is a bad baseball town and won't have a team unless things change.

You'd be surprised to see what kind of baseball town this is if we ever get new ownership. The Dolans are despised by most baseball fans for their cheap, ass backwards approach to building this team.

 

[Frank Stallone]

All depends on the draft and free agency. If they continue to put the garbage that was on the court this year, no will be interested... Get to work Grant!

- what did you expect this year...? They brought in two rookies, and one that is going to more than likely change the face of the franchise.

 

[Huber.]

You'd be surprised to see what kind of baseball town this is if we ever get new ownership. The Dolans are despised by most baseball fans for their cheap, ass backwards approach to building this team.

Spoiler alert: Things won't change with a new owner. If you and everyone else knew how baseball is structured you would understand.

 

[RedBlackAttack]

This is a very interesting post to me. I never gave much thought to why Miami was such a lousy sports city. I just assumed it was the beaches, clubs, etc.

It's something that most people accept without really thinking about it. I mean, if "things to do" and "nice weather" precluded a city from having a rabid sports fanbase, it would apply to a lot more cities than just Miami and South Beach wouldn't even be atop the list for either "best weather" or "most things to do". (I hate the climate down there -- too hot and humid)

It is just a way for Miami sports fans to deflect the reality that it is a transient city with a static population. Also, it is a way that they can spin it to feel superior to "other" cities with "not as much to do"... Which is just crazy.

You can offer me the opportunity to see a Browns playoff game in sub-zero weather or a flight to Miami for a random beach party and I'm taking the playoff game every single time. There are very few (if any) places I would rather be than in attendance for one of my favorite sports franchises in a big game. And, if I can't get there, I will certainly be watching it on TV.

It isn't going to take me very long to weigh going to a big Cavs game vs. going to some shitty club with a bunch of oiled up douchebags and pretensions chicken heads. Then again, since those two species make up virtually all of Miami's population, aside from elderly people, it makes sense that it is such a shitty sports city.

 

[rabman_gold]

Spoiler alert: Things won't change with a new owner. Who you and everyone else knew how baseball was structured you would understand.

Um, huber... did you follow the Indians back in the mid 90s? I'm telling you, they had a hell of a team and the fans were truly at the Yankees/Bulls/etc. level. There's no mistaking it, I'm not even a fan of baseball: Once the Dolans give the team to someone who knows what the f#ck they're doing, get a promising team, the attendance will rise like a rocket, back to the 500 consecutive streak they had before the Jacobs gave up the team.

I mean, even the third favorite major league team in the city manages to get a fill in of attendance and they barely made it through a lockout shortened season (because 14-15,000 is still better than <10,000 every night via 2002-2003).

Cleveland will always be a blue collar town. So football will always sell out. But baseball with a pretty large field and games will get there too, they love the team too much.

 

[MNCavsfan]

This post is not meant to call you out or anything, but this excuse used in Miami's case always has bothered me.

Miami's being a rotten sports city has absolutely nothing to do with weather or business meetings or people clubbing 24 hours a day, but because it is a transient city with a lot of people coming and going which results in a very static, ever-changing culture. Thus, unlike cities like Boston or NYC or Chicago or Cleveland, Miami's sports teams aren't generally passed down from generation-to-generation as a communal gathering that helps carve out the identity of the city itself.

That isn't to say that there aren't diehard Heat fans, but they simply don't number the hoards of followers in cities that are less transient and the sports teams are literally a way of life, not just something to do on a random Friday night.

The fact is, 70 percent of Miami's residents are either first or second generation immigrants. And, 40 percent are first generation immigrants.

Those are the transient statistics coming from outside the country. Throw in the transients that the city gets from around the U.S. and you get a population that is almost entirely made up of people whose families are from elsewhere.

THAT is the difference. My dad brought me up watching and attending games for all Cleveland franchises, his dad did the same with him and so on...

The sports franchises are a part of the culture in midwestern cities and in big cities like NYC, Philly and LA. You simply cannot have that kind of generational, intimate relationship between a franchise and a city when your population has immediate backgrounds from, not just all over the country, but all over the world.

Static and ever changing have opposite meanings.

Otherwise, I think your point makes a lot of sense. I would add the the immigrant point you make isn't important simply because immigrants don't have a history with Miami sports, but also because they and their families are from areas where no one plays basketball, football, and or baseball and everyone plays soccer. How are you supposed to become a basketball fan if you've never played the game?