I have lost my Semih... [signs in Turkey for next 2+ years]

[Hydroponic3385]

Re: Semih Erden

The Cavs gave up a pick to get him and Harongody, one of them had better pan out as a rotation player, and it doesn't look like Harongody will be the one. So this leaves us with only one hope.

We gave up 1 2nd round pick (Minnesota's 2013 pick - which probably won't be top 10 of 2nd round considering Minny has the young talent to not be 1 of the 10 worst teams next season). I'd say Erden is well worth that cost.

 

[Bob_The_Cat]

Re: Semih Erden

The Cavs gave up a pick to get him and Harongody, one of them had better pan out as a rotation player, and it doesn't look like Harongody will be the one. So this leaves us with only one hope.

Really? It was a second rounder. They gave up a worthless pick to get two warm bodies, one of whom is a 7-footer. Second rounders are generally garbage and end up washing out anyway. Hell, I'd be happy with getting a bag of game balls and some new nets for a second round pick, let alone expecting one of these guys to one day become a rotational player on a (eventually) contending team.

 

[heatohio]

Re: Semih Erden

I'm well aware it was a 2nd round pick we gave up. Second round picks can end up being pretty damn good and contribute to really good teams. If you give up draft picks for players, those players had better contribute. That's all I was saying. Boozer was a 2nd round pick of ours, Price was a 2nd rounder...I'm just thinking of Cav 2nd round picks that turned out to be star players in the league.

 

[wuck]

Re: Semih Erden

Of course, some 2nd round picks can be good. But counting on a 2nd round pick to become part of the rotation is expecting a lot. Most teams would be happy if all their 1st round picks could become part of the rotation.

Here are the Cavs 2nd round picks over the last twenty years. If you're going to talk about how successful Boozer was, you have to account for Trepagnier too. And if you say that this is just pitiful because the Cavs don't know how to draft....well then that's another reason to trade the picks and get them out of our hands. :chuckles:

2 Justin Harper Richmond
2 Milan Macvan Yugoslavia
2 Danny Green North Carolina
2 Daniel Gibson University of Texas at Austin
2 Ejike Ugboaja Nigeria
2 Jason Kapono UCLA
2 Carlos Boozer Duke
2 Jeff Trepagnier USC
2 A.J. Bramlett Arizona
2 Ryan Stack South Carolina
2 Cedric Henderson Memphis
2 Reggie Geary Arizona
2 Donny Marshall Connecticut
2 Gary Collier Tulsa

 

[KCOTT]

Re: Semih Erden

i remember jeff trepagnier

 

[KeyzerSozee]

Re: Semih Erden

Of course, some 2nd round picks can be good. But counting on a 2nd round pick to become part of the rotation is expecting a lot. Most teams would be happy if all their 1st round picks could become part of the rotation.

Here are the Cavs 2nd round picks over the last twenty years. If you're going to talk about how successful Boozer was, you have to account for Trepagnier too. And if you say that this is just pitiful because the Cavs don't know how to draft....well then that's another reason to trade the picks and get them out of our hands. :chuckles:

2 Justin Harper Richmond
2 Milan Macvan Yugoslavia
2 Danny Green North Carolina
2 Daniel Gibson University of Texas at Austin
2 Ejike Ugboaja Nigeria
2 Jason Kapono UCLA
2 Carlos Boozer Duke
2 Jeff Trepagnier USC
2 A.J. Bramlett Arizona
2 Ryan Stack South Carolina
2 Cedric Henderson Memphis
2 Reggie Geary Arizona
2 Donny Marshall Connecticut
2 Gary Collier Tulsa

I will see you and raise you every player making an All star Appearance or even an "All Nba anything" since the year 2003 picked in the second round:

Mo Williams.

End.

 

[KeyzerSozee]

Re: Semih Erden

i remember jeff trepagnier

Big Scaligera Verona fan? LOL? I had to look him up. Still ballin. Not for Italian second division team mentioned, but allegedly in Brazil?

 

[heatohio]

Re: Semih Erden

There are 4 guys on that list still playing in the rotation on teams. Danny Green is playing very well for the Spurs right now, Gibson with us, Kapono with the Lakers?, and Boozer with the Bulls obviously. And this isn't even a complete list because I don't see that PF we picked the same year as Hickson, who was that again??? Not sure if he's in the league anymore but if you missed one, who knows how many you missed. There are only 14 there, you said 20.

And then somebody said that most teams hope their 1st round picks become rotation players???? Who on earth are the 300+ players in the league and where do they come from? The fact is that if you give up a draft pick, it should be for a player you suspect will be a rotation player. if we gave up a pick for two guys who contribute nothing then it was a waste, especially since 2nd rounders aren't guaranteed a roster spot or money, a trade for a player like these two are a loss of two roster spots and X amount of dollars in cap room.

 

[WhoWeAre]

Re: Semih Erden

There are 4 guys on that list still playing in the rotation on teams. Danny Green is playing very well for the Spurs right now, Gibson with us, Kapono with the Lakers?, and Boozer with the Bulls obviously. And this isn't even a complete list because I don't see that PF we picked the same year as Hickson, who was that again??? Not sure if he's in the league anymore but if you missed one, who knows how many you missed. There are only 14 there, you said 20.

And then somebody said that most teams hope their 1st round picks become rotation players???? Who on earth are the 300+ players in the league and where do they come from? The fact is that if you give up a draft pick, it should be for a player you suspect will be a rotation player. if we gave up a pick for two guys who contribute nothing then it was a waste, especially since 2nd rounders aren't guaranteed a roster spot or money, a trade for a player like these two are a loss of two roster spots and X amount of dollars in cap room.

He wrote the word "some" for a reason. He was making a point, not trying to account for every second round pick in Cavs history.

And as for your second point, there's not a single poster on this board that would disagree with that. So I'm pretty sure you don't need the angry know-it-all tone in your post.

 

[wuck]

Re: Semih Erden

In 15 posts, you are proving to be one of the most ill-informed, illogical (and one of the rudest) posters in RCF history.

There are 4 guys on that list still playing in the rotation on teams.

Yes, that is my point. They are also basically the only 4 guys on that list who have ever made an impact over the last 20 years of Cavs making 2nd-round picks. Cedric Henderson had a little run, and that's about it. So, 4 or 5 2nd-round picks that the Cavs made over the last 20 years who have made an impact. They had 20 picks and struck gold 25% of the time with their own picks. Thank you for making my point.

And this isn't even a complete list because I don't see that PF we picked the same year as Hickson, who was that again??? Not sure if he's in the league anymore but if you missed one, who knows how many you missed.

Who knows how many I missed? I do. NONE.

Do some research. The Cavs TRADED for the rights of Darnell Jackson and Sasha Kaun that year. My post was specifically about the 2nd-round draft picks made by the Cavs. Learn to read before you accuse other people of neglecting the research you're too lazy to do yourself. The Cavs have made 14 2nd-round picks in the last 20 years. They traded away their 2nd-round picks the other 6 years. Get it?

And then somebody said that most teams hope their 1st round picks become rotation players?

I'm sure the Cavs would be happy if these recent 1st round picks were rotation players: Christian Eyenga, Luke Jackson, Dajuan Wagner, Trajan Langdon, etc.

Many 1st round picks become rotation players, but many don't. Do you know anything about the history of the Cavs?

Your credibility was hovering around 1%. Now it has dipped into negative territory. Your posts are truly awful.

 

[Green Demon]

Re: Semih Erden

2nd round picks in the draft are basically a crap shoot of course there are going to be a couple of times that you may get a player that contributes a good deal like boozer or "boobie" gibson but honestly more often then not they are going to be players that either are cut after a year or two or are guys that are stashed overseas and you can only hope that they contribute something in the near future. I wish there was deeper talent in these drafts but there just isn't right now or really any other time. Judge my post if you really want to cause I have been drinking tonight but I feel like I am not far off base with thinking a 2nd round pick at least later in the round is basically choosing between a turd sandwich and a giant douche most of the time. :chuckles: Sorry guys

 

[CleveRocks]

Re: Semih Erden

Second rounders are a statistical crap shoot. We can (and I think have) improved the quality of our second round picks by doing our homework well, but they are still longer shots. The effectiveness of any trade lies not only in what you gave up, but also in what your got. Some here would argue that getting the white whale for a second was worth the entertainment value.

But I think in this case the cavs scouts had noticed something about Semih that pointed to his potential to be better than your average 10th second round pick, at least at this point in time. In order to know first hand, they needed him on the team now, when he can get unlimited minutes and not really affect the season, and see what he has. So far it looks like there is something there worth looking at. He is clearly better than Holins, and looks to have more potential than the string of towel wavers we have had as third string bigs for some years past. If they can develop Semih into a big off the bench, then he will either fill a role we need filled, or we can trade him for a better asset later. This for a second round pick in 2013, when the cavs already have thier own first and second as well as miami's first, Orlando's second, and possibly sacramentos first. I guarantee you we are going to trade some of those picks if for no other reason than we have no roster spots, and that we have sucked at stashing players overseas (for some reason our overseas players never seem to actually want to play in Cleveland-go figure)....

 

[Green Lantern]

Re: Semih Erden

Of course, some 2nd round picks can be good. But counting on a 2nd round pick to become part of the rotation is expecting a lot. Most teams would be happy if all their 1st round picks could become part of the rotation.

Here are the Cavs 2nd round picks over the last twenty years. If you're going to talk about how successful Boozer was, you have to account for Trepagnier too. And if you say that this is just pitiful because the Cavs don't know how to draft....well then that's another reason to trade the picks and get them out of our hands. :chuckles:

2 Justin Harper Richmond
2 Milan Macvan Yugoslavia
2 Danny Green North Carolina
2 Daniel Gibson University of Texas at Austin
2 Ejike Ugboaja Nigeria
2 Jason Kapono UCLA
2 Carlos Boozer Duke
2 Jeff Trepagnier USC
2 A.J. Bramlett Arizona
2 Ryan Stack South Carolina
2 Cedric Henderson Memphis
2 Reggie Geary Arizona
2 Donny Marshall Connecticut
2 Gary Collier Tulsa

I know your point but some of those worthless selections has to do with the people selecting those players..not the brightest bulbs in the light fixture.

 

[JSS2306]

Re: Semih Erden

There are 4 guys on that list still playing in the rotation on teams. Danny Green is playing very well for the Spurs right now, Gibson with us, Kapono with the Lakers?, and Boozer with the Bulls obviously. And this isn't even a complete list because I don't see that PF we picked the same year as Hickson, who was that again??? Not sure if he's in the league anymore but if you missed one, who knows how many you missed. There are only 14 there, you said 20.

And then somebody said that most teams hope their 1st round picks become rotation players???? Who on earth are the 300+ players in the league and where do they come from? The fact is that if you give up a draft pick, it should be for a player you suspect will be a rotation player. if we gave up a pick for two guys who contribute nothing then it was a waste, especially since 2nd rounders aren't guaranteed a roster spot or money, a trade for a player like these two are a loss of two roster spots and X amount of dollars in cap room.

Come back, Doug.

 

[JAY1977]

Re: Semih Erden

I am sure Coach Scott is getting on him about the lack of rebounding and I wonder how many games ( 10 seems to be the number he likes ) he gives Erden to improve before trying another player at the back up C.