Is Charlie Frye the QB of the future?

[Smooth]

Now, I know it is a bit early in the season to be making big decisions such as this one, but in the little time that Charlie has had as a starter, I truly believe he is the future at QB..

After watching today's games and many previous, we all know that he is very prone to throwing an interception.. If you really look at it, 3 of those were due to the defensive line getting their hands up.. Now the other 3 or 4 were his fault, no doubt.. But honestly, as a 2nd year QB, what else do you expect? Most young QB's struggle with decision-making their first few (2-3) years in the league..

Just look at a guy like Peyton Manning (43 his first 2 years), Carson Palmer (18 his 1st year), Eli Manning (17 last year), Marc Bulger (36 his 1st 2 years starting), Brett Farve (24 2nd year starting), Daunte Culppeper (16 INT's his first year starting etc... All of these elite QB's in today’s game struggled early on in their career's with decision making.. You can't just expect a QB to come in and make perfect decisions and not make any mistakes.. It's just not going to happen.. With maturity and experience in the league, come better decision making and a better understanding of the game..

Now, I am not saying Frye will be on the level with Palmer, Peyton Manning or even a guy like Eli Manning... I am just making a comparison and showing that young QB's are prone to mistakes.. It happens to the greater ones, like I mentioned..

Now, going onto to another problem with Frye is the fact that he hangs onto the ball too long.. Now, like I said again, his ability to understand the game as he gains more experience will help this problem slowly go away..

When you look at Frye on the positive side, you have to like what you see.. His toughness for one is his biggest traits.. He stays in the pocket to take any hit, no matter what the severity is.. You have to like that in a QB..

His escape ability is also a huge plus.. This enables him to make plays that some other guys can't... This canny trait, also allows him to buy time to look down field and find an open receiver... It also adds another dimension to his game and another thing for the defense to worry about... They know that if they blitz, that he has the ability to escape.. Something that Peyton Manning lacks and the Patriots really exacerbate (sp?) that when they face him..

Another quality trait that he carries is his chemistry with his surrounding cast.. In order to be a successful QB in this league or even a successful offense in this league, your offense has to know each other inside in out.. That is why offenses like the Bengals, Seahawks, Colts etc., are so effective.. Now, there is tremendous talent, but you could have all the talent in the world and still not win.. You need to the cohesiveness in your unit.. And that "cohesiveness" that Frye carries with guys like Winslow, Edwards and even guys on the offensive line, helps out a ton... This trait that he has, is probably one of the most overlooked and underrated things that he has...

You also have to like that his teammates have faith in him as a player and a leader.. They know that he's going to play his butt off every down and do the best he can to succeed.. They know that he's going to work day in and day out studying tape, staying after practice etc.. Having confidence in your QB is not only big for teammates but for a coach.. It lets him expand the offense even more... Just look at a guy like Troy Smith and what confidence did to him and his game..

Now, Charlie Frye might not have all the physical attributes that a "star" QB has like arm strength, tremendous speed, tremendous accuracy etc... But he has what it takes to win a game.. And you can't ignore the fact that he will fight to the end and his teammates, most importantly want him to be their QB... He isn't going to play for stats, himself or self glory; he's going to play for the team's success.. And that's the kind of kid you want to have as the QB for your team...

So, I know leave it to you.. Do you want Charlie to be the franchise QB, or do you want someone else?

 

[CornerThree]

I thought his decision making skills were quite poor(wtf was with that interception), and he is too prone to take sacks. Which goes back to the decision making.

I think you'd have to see him with a better OC before you could say whether or not he's gonna be the guy. And J Jerevicious being back does give him another good guy, their pass game could be solid with the talent they have.

 

[Smooth]

I thought his decision making skills were quite poor(wtf was with that interception), and he is too prone to take sacks. Which goes back to the decision making.

That's my point thought.. With expierence and maturity comes better decision making and knowing when to throw the ball away...

But, just think what he can do with LeCharles back, JJ back, and an year under Kellen's belt..

EDIT:

BTW, it isn't his fault that the line can't hold their blocks for more than a second..

 

[CornerThree]

He reminded me of Tommy Maddox today, fwiw. Nothing special, at times he'll win you some games. He can make pro calibre throws as well when he needs too. But he'll make some boneheaded plays which will cost you a ton of games.

If the line is bad, the OC needs to work on some better protection schemes/play calling. Shorter Drops and quicker throws, leaving more protection in on a play. If you have to only send out 3 receivers from time to time, it's unfortunate but one of the things that has gotta happen.

 

[James]

you guys win 1 game against the worst team in the league and suddenly all the people who say "he sucks" now are praising him. sorry, this guy sucks, and if he is your "QB" of the future, your in for another 10 years of huge shortcomings and disapointments.

 

[Smooth]

you guys win 1 game against the worst team in the league and suddenly all the people who say "he sucks" now are praising him. sorry, this guy sucks, and if he is your "QB" of the future, your in for another 10 years of huge shortcomings and disapointments.

I never said he sucks once during the season..

And just because we won this game, doesn't mean anything about this post..

And thanks for your excellent explanation for why he "sucks" so bad.. You tremendous post will earn a lot of respect from me..

 

[Deadlock]

I think he will be, he makes mistakes bu tall young QBs do. But only time will tell.

 

[Cleveland56]

who knows.

I don't think he is on anyones top three things to fix on this team though, whatever that's worth....

 

[bob2the2nd]

before this week, he was tied in the league for most rushing TD's. the kid has some guts ill give him that. Also, like everyone in the browns front office says the kid has "it" whatever it is. he is a gun slinger and at times its going to get him into trouble and other times its going to help the browns steal games they shoudlnt, either way ill take him.

 

[cavincali]

you guys win 1 game against the worst team in the league and suddenly all the people who say "he sucks" now are praising him. sorry, this guy sucks, and if he is your "QB" of the future, your in for another 10 years of huge shortcomings and disapointments.

Just shut up. Get the hell out of the Browns forum. You dont know shit about this team.

 

[Style]

Here's my grades, as of today:

Arm Strength: F. One of the worst in the league. Maybe the worst starter.
Accuracy: C. Average. This is as of the last two weeks. Prior to that, from what I'd seen had below average accuracy, and I'd of given him a D.
Decision making: F. As of today, he's the dumbest mother on the planet.
Scrambling/escapability: B. Above average.
Toughness: A.
Durability: ??? We'll see if he can survive the year with this line.
Leadership: B, based off what I hear.

Overall: D, below average. This is as of today. Of course a young QB who manages to sticks around should improve, but I see his ceiling being a C. Is this what you want to settle for as the Browns QB of the future? Average? Nothing special? We're talking about the single most important position on the team here. No thanks.

 

[imahustla]

I stated this in an earlier thread when people were cooing over getting Troy Smith, and I'll repeat it here.

Give me a quarterback with a "sixth sense" like Tom Brady or Ben Roethlisberger (or even Donovan McNabb as of late) any day over an athletic freak or a big arm like the Peyton Mannings, Michael Vicks, Daunte Culpeppers, or Carson Palmers. The guys who play mostly with their head and not with their athleticism (as in making decisions, showing leadership, and putting their neck on the line for their team whenever needed) are the guys winning Super Bowls. Brady and Roethlisberger aren't athletic gazelles, but they have that extra "something," that extra sense, that allows them to do just what it takes to get the nine yards on 3rd and 9 or trust their guys and keep going to them over and over even if they're having a bad day, knowing that he'll need them for a long time.

And like Big Ben, Charlie's ability to escape the pocket and scramble for the extra yards in tough situations is far more impressive to me than Michael Vick's ability to drop 100 yards rushing on somebody. I know that a guy like Troy Smith is a better passer than a typical "scrambling QB" is given credit for, but Charlie Frye has shown so far this season that he knows how to manage a game and put the ball in the hands of the right people at the right time when he needs to.

Sure, he had an INT that pretty much cost us the game against Baltimore and nearly threw the game away today against Oakland. I know that. But in both cases, we were ahead in the game because of what Frye had done. He's in his second year out of a MAC school, and already he has shown more promise than a guy like Tim Couch, a 1st overall pick from an SEC school, showed in HIS second year. I mean, go look at Carson Palmer's second year or even Eli Manning's second year. These guys weren't lighting it up. Yet Charlie has gotten accustomed to his personnel and teammates very well just four games into his second year. He'll learn from his mistakes, and once he does, he'll take off. To be honest, he has the potential to be another Ben Roethlisberger. That is an accurate comparison. He has all the tools to be Big Ben as far as a quarterback.

But Big Ben had Pro Bowlers on his line, a running game that traditionally churns out 1,000-yard rushers, and an All-Pro WR (Hines Ward). Charlie Frye has absolutely none of that. Imagine if Big Ben was on the Browns and not the Steelers. That's almost what we have in Charlie Frye. If Frye was on the Steelers, he'd almost be as good as Big Ben. Heck, they're both MAC QBs.

 

[imahustla]

Just shut up. Get the hell out of the Browns forum. You dont know shit about this team.

I echo those sentiments.

 

[Mac]

No.

Style said it perfectly..his assessment is 100% correct.

If he is our QB for the future, we are in big trouble.....unless we get a great RB. But this team is built to pass the ball, we need to get a real QB back there at some point.

 

[Style]

The guys who play mostly with their head and not with their athleticism (as in making decisions, showing leadership, and putting their neck on the line for their team whenever needed) are the guys winning Super Bowls.

Charlie's decision making has been in the toilet.

And like Big Ben, Charlie's ability to escape the pocket and scramble for the extra yards in tough situations is far more impressive to me than Michael Vick's ability to drop 100 yards rushing on somebody.

Vick's ability to escape the pocket and scramble for extra yards is far superior to Big Ben and Charlie's. One is good, the other is great. It's like the difference between Droughns and LT.

He has all the tools to be Big Ben as far as a quarterback.

Big Ben is taller, and more importantly he has a good arm and is a great decision maker. The difference betweent their arms is night and day. Charlie is probably dead last among starting QBs in arm strength. Big Ben is at least top half, more than good enough. It is true that Big Ben has a superior surrounding cast, but from day one he had been a sound decision maker. Not all rookies are brain dead on the field like Chuckie Frye. So if you discount Charlie's wet noodle arm and scare crow brain, then yeah, they're comparable QBs. Although even then Big Ben is still bigger.

they're both MAC QBs.

YOU'RE RIGHT! They are both MAC QBs! What the hell was I thinking? Frye MUST be just as good as Ben if they came from the same conference! Wow, forget I said anything.