John Beilein: Continuing his education

[The Oi]

Guy sucks

 

[weepinwillow]

College teams can "scrappy" their way to very good seasons and sometimes a great post-season run. A "scrappy" NBA team is just a lottery team with a later draft pick.

How is this written on a Cavs board? Mike Fratello's T.Brandon/T.Hill team was the ultimate NBA version of that.. and bounced 0-3 v Knicks in the playoffs.

 

[cavsfever]

He was told by Izzo to take Draymond as well. So that's a prime example of sometimes he lets his staff do what they want. But who is to say Draymond is still Draymond if he came here with Byron Scott and Mike Brown as the HC

He would have been even better on a cellar team with no one watching. He'd be kicking balls, gouging eyes, *and* giving wedgies

 

[cavsfever]

Grant had said he didn't want more than 2 rookies every year. One of the reasons we didn't end up with more talent was Grant wasn't willing to take enough shots.

At least with Beilein, we shouldn't be worried about bring in too many young players. He is use to bring in a good amount of new guys year in and year out.

This is an extremely dumb policy for a mediocre NBA team. Most rookies don't work out. But teams can't advance without multiple stars backed by multiple good players, so while you're bad you should be giving as many tryouts as you can.

 

[inliner311]

This is an extremely dumb policy for a mediocre NBA team. Most rookies don't work out. But teams can't advance without multiple stars backed by multiple good players, so while you're bad you should be giving as many tryouts as you can.

Completely agree. Another thing he wanted was a front court and a back court player in each of those drafts. I'm not sure if he ever express that in a press conference but Windy would mention that was part of Grant's strategy all the time. He really just limited his drafting too much to be successful.

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

This is an extremely dumb policy for a mediocre NBA team. Most rookies don't work out. But teams can't advance without multiple stars backed by multiple good players, so while you're bad you should be giving as many tryouts as you can.

Nonsense.

Where would Portland, Milwaukee, Golden State, Denver ect be if they kept on tanking for years on end?

Not a single one of those teams had the #1 overall pick and those are all title contenders.

 

[2 For The Brew]

We shall see. I like that he adjusts to his personal, I like that he gets them playing to their strengths and mitigating their weaknesses, I like that he wins wherever he goes, like that he runs a modern offense. I don't like the control aspect, don't like that he's collecting social security and is first in line at the Del Boca Vista 4PM dinner special.

I doubt he's collecting social security. Benefits are much better if you wait until age 70 and he certainly doesn't need the cash flow now.

And as far as the age cracks are concerned -- there are lots of people over 65 still working FULL TIME, including this badass:

 

[Mr. MacPhisto]

Nonsense.

Where would Portland, Milwaukee, Golden State, Denver ect be if they kept on tanking for years on end?

Not a single one of those teams had the #1 overall pick and those are all title contenders.

The #1 pick is not a path to prosperity. Nor is a high pick.

Our Final Four this year:

GSW
Milwaukee
Portland
Toronto

Toronto and Milwaukee have both had Top 5 picks since 2008: Jonas V and Jabari Parker. Two essential cogs in their drive to this place - uh, guess not.

Golden State's highest pick was 6th - and it was for Ekpe Udoh. Curry was #7 the year before.

Lillard was #6.

As for Milwaukee, Khris Middleton was #39. Giannis was #15. Brogdon was #36. Their highest picks since 2008 were for Joe Alexander and Jabari Parker.

There's evidence that it is better to be mediocre and have a year or two where the pick is Top Ten rather than the #1 pick.

 

[Norm]

The shock has finally sunk in. Not because I think Beilein is a bad coach, quite opposite, I'm a UM fan who believes he will be sorely missed depending on who replaces him. This guy turned around a failure of a college bball program. He instills in players to play above themselves but not try too much. And he's there to let you know when to tone it down.

He hasn't always had a star player that warrants all the attention on the court. Team offense and defense has always been what I've seen of his teams. Ignas (2018 top recruit for us) will be the 1st freshman since Beilein took over in 2007 to be 1 and done. Michigan's success the past 12 years has relied heavily on player development, something our Cavs desperately need.

Anyone who "expects" us to drop 35-40 wins next season will be disappointed imo as I see alot of the roster being turned over. If we luck upon said amount of wins, consider that a plus.

Hate to say it, but if TT doesn't warrant trade possibilities, Beilein will like his attitude and hustle on the court. I think Nance might end up bumping heads with him, just my opinion. Love should average around 17 pts, 10 boards, and 6 assists if he's not traded. Beilins emphasis on team defense should help hide some of Kevin's shortcomings we know he has.

Sexton, Cedi and whatever rookies we end up with will benefit greatly as long as they are willing to buy in. He encouraged players to play to their strengths and not be someone they aren't. Zizic I would worry about depending on how the draft pans out and if we keep Kevin.

As long as Gilbert is willing to buy in to "2021 or 2022 playoff hopes" then this is a great hire. Beilein likes to have the veterans who understand his system and culture, and in turn they help the younger guys develop.

I fully expect some early bumps with our offense as rotations and starters are figured out. I do think that overall, we'll see some players improve noticeably, not everyone though.....

Throwing it out now, 22-25 wins should be where we stand............to keep our next years pick of course

 

[avs2000]

Really I don't mind this hire. Mike Budenholzer feels like a good comparison to what we should hope Beilein will be. I think we have the flexibility to go real young and with a former college coach there shouldn't be a limit to how many young player we have. I think that was a major problem in the last rebuild, Grant didnt feel like the staff could handle more than 2 rookies at a time.

We will bring in at least 2 young players at the draft. JR's contract could bring in one more. We can also move other players to really build up a young core.

I don't think Beilein changes my feelings on who we need to move on from. Get rid of JC, TT, and Henson before the season starts. Then move on from Brandon Knight midseason once he builds his value back up.

It depends on some things, but this might be the best move since draft LeBron. Beilein is, IMO, a top 5 coach in basketball right now. The way that he develops and turned that Michigan program around was nothing short of amazing. To be able to have that type of pull with our organization and players on the team right now is simply awesome and makes me think of Gilbert and Altman maybe slightly different.

I also believe Gansey has a tremendous future if this is the type of relationships that he could create.

Great selection for a young team
Sexton cedi zizic nance the two draft choices and even someone like stauskas will benefit. Love will fit the offense
Would like to see tt and clarkson moved in the off season for young players or choices or at lead

The shock has finally sunk in. Not because I think Beilein is a bad coach, quite opposite, I'm a UM fan who believes he will be sorely missed depending on who replaces him. This guy turned around a failure of a college bball program. He instills in players to play above themselves but not try too much. And he's there to let you know when to tone it down.

He hasn't always had a star player that warrants all the attention on the court. Team offense and defense has always been what I've seen of his teams. Ignas (2018 top recruit for us) will be the 1st freshman since Beilein took over in 2007 to be 1 and done. Michigan's success the past 12 years has relied heavily on player development, something our Cavs desperately need.

Anyone who "expects" us to drop 35-40 wins next season will be disappointed imo as I see alot of the roster being turned over. If we luck upon said amount of wins, consider that a plus.

Hate to say it, but if TT doesn't warrant trade possibilities, Beilein will like his attitude and hustle on the court. I think Nance might end up bumping heads with him, just my opinion. Love should average around 17 pts, 10 boards, and 6 assists if he's not traded. Beilins emphasis on team defense should help hide some of Kevin's shortcomings we know he has.

Sexton, Cedi and whatever rookies we end up with will benefit greatly as long as they are willing to buy in. He encouraged players to play to their strengths and not be someone they aren't. Zizic I would worry about depending on how the draft pans out and if we keep Kevin.

As long as Gilbert is willing to buy in to "2021 or 2022 playoff hopes" then this is a great hire. Beilein likes to have the veterans who understand his system and culture, and in turn they help the younger guys develop.

I fully expect some early bumps with our offense as rotations and starters are figured out. I do think that overall, we'll see some players improve noticeably, not everyone though.....

Throwing it out now, 22-25 wins should be where we stand............to keep our next years pick of course

 

[avs2000]

The shock has finally sunk in. Not because I think Beilein is a bad coach, quite opposite, I'm a UM fan who believes he will be sorely missed depending on who replaces him. This guy turned around a failure of a college bball program. He instills in players to play above themselves but not try too much. And he's there to let you know when to tone it down.

He hasn't always had a star player that warrants all the attention on the court. Team offense and defense has always been what I've seen of his teams. Ignas (2018 top recruit for us) will be the 1st freshman since Beilein took over in 2007 to be 1 and done. Michigan's success the past 12 years has relied heavily on player development, something our Cavs desperately need.

Anyone who "expects" us to drop 35-40 wins next season will be disappointed imo as I see alot of the roster being turned over. If we luck upon said amount of wins, consider that a plus.

Hate to say it, but if TT doesn't warrant trade possibilities, Beilein will like his attitude and hustle on the court. I think Nance might end up bumping heads with him, just my opinion. Love should average around 17 pts, 10 boards, and 6 assists if he's not traded. Beilins emphasis on team defense should help hide some of Kevin's shortcomings we know he has.

Sexton, Cedi and whatever rookies we end up with will benefit greatly as long as they are willing to buy in. He encouraged players to play to their strengths and not be someone they aren't. Zizic I would worry about depending on how the draft pans out and if we keep Kevin.

As long as Gilbert is willing to buy in to "2021 or 2022 playoff hopes" then this is a great hire. Beilein likes to have the veterans who understand his system and culture, and in turn they help the younger guys develop.

I fully expect some early bumps with our offense as rotations and starters are figured out. I do think that overall, we'll see some players improve noticeably, not everyone though.....

Throwing it out now, 22-25 wins should be where we stand............to keep our next years pick of course

Does not matter if he likes tt or not. Tt will be gone at the deadline. They certainly will not resign tt. Nance will no longer be a pg in his head. Zizic will flourish. Stauskas could be the new korver. Beilein can get the best out of him

 

[Norm]

Does not matter if he likes tt or not. Tt will be gone at the deadline. They certainly will not resign tt. Nance will no longer be a pg in his head. Zizic will flourish. Stauskas could be the new korver. Beilein can get the best out of him

My post read " if TT doesn't warrant trade possibilities"........

Never said if Beilein likes TT. More along the thought TT will get too much playing time, hindering the younger guys if, IF, we can't find a suitor. Don't think it will be an issue though.

I'd rather TT be dealt sooner rather than later.

 

[Douglar]

When the Browns promoted Kitchens, I though, wow, this could work, and if it works, it could work out extremely well. Great upside. The guy has the drive, creativity, and steady hand necessary to take things to the next level.

I was not as excited about Beilein. The guy might be a great hire. It could work. I want to embrace the idea that they hired a guy with a proven track record of developmental experience. He's got a good history. Too much history. He would have been an exciting pickup in 2005 when he was in his early 50's. But now? Seems like there's a big cap on the upside. There's just not enough talent on the team to win now, so what's he going to be doing? So maybe he manages to implant a winning culture at Rocket Mortgage, but it's not like he's going to be around to enjoy it very long once the team gets there.

When there's not much upside, it's easy to focus on the doubts. My doubts about Beilein take two shapes. Beilein is either cheap place holder to work with the kids while the Cavs work "the process" or he's a backwards looking hire made by a GM on a tight leash, forced to wear Gilbert colored glasses. Neither of these two nagging possibilities fill me with joy.

Best possible outcome is that he shapes the kids into an elite fighting force in time to hand the team off to someone else when things get real. More likely? We are padding his retirement fund while Gilbert does this--

 

[2 For The Brew]

The #1 pick is not a path to prosperity. Nor is a high pick.

Our Final Four this year:

GSW
Milwaukee
Portland
Toronto

Toronto and Milwaukee have both had Top 5 picks since 2008: Jonas V and Jabari Parker. Two essential cogs in their drive to this place - uh, guess not.

Golden State's highest pick was 6th - and it was for Ekpe Udoh. Curry was #7 the year before.

Lillard was #6.

As for Milwaukee, Khris Middleton was #39. Giannis was #15. Brogdon was #36. Their highest picks since 2008 were for Joe Alexander and Jabari Parker.

There's evidence that it is better to be mediocre and have a year or two where the pick is Top Ten rather than the #1 pick.

It depends. If Lew Alcindor or LeBron James or Hakeem Olajuwon or Tim Duncan is in the draft then the #1 pick is extremely valuable. Zion MAY be that good or may not. But most seasons the best player turns out to be other than #1 and sometimes the #1 pick is a bust, so your point is well taken.

This year I'd love that #1 pick.

 

[MirORich]

Throwing it out now, 22-25 wins should be where we stand............to keep our next years pick of course

Though it’s way too early to be predicting won-loss totals( still so much roster constuctuon and trade scenarios to play out) historical trends would indicate that we can be in the 32-35 win range and still be in the 8-10 lottery slot, thus likely keeping our pick.