Johnny Manziel: Swan Won't Return His Calls

[The Oi]

Is Drew Brees' style of Quarterbacking the best comparable for Manziel? Or is he just only slightly taller than Manziel so the first guy you think of? Do you see Manziel becoming a pure pocket passer at 5'11? I don't

Russ is the better comparison and certainly the guy you'd want Manziel to model his game after. Russ also has a great situation around him. If Manziel is to be even above average he'll need what Russ has around him and to become a better decision maker.

If I was our GM, I wouldn't have taken Manziel in the first place, so there'd be no debate to be had. He was successful at the college level with a playing style that nobody successfully plays in the NFL. The elite QBs in the NFL who have maintaned at least a few years of success right now are all pocket passers.

If your argument for keeping him around if Hoyer maintains success is because he'll keep the Browns in the news, I think you're overvaluing hype based on a backup QB. First, it doesn't make the team a winner. Second, it's counterproductive to the team.

If one were to agree Hoyer was good enough to keep Manziel on the bench and agree that he should be traded, then where he was drafted has no bearing on how the league as a whole valued him. His value would be based on what the couple of teams interested in him would be willing to pay.

The mistake was taking him, not the trade they'd eventually have to make if Hoyer maintains success.

 

[el_capitan]

The Voice is getting killed in this thread.

 

[Binkster]

Talk about height to Drew Bree's and Russell Wilson. Why the hell would we trade a first round pick for a third round pick? Thank god you aren't our gm.

You have zero basis to your argument. He hasn't even played meaningful time and was very successful at the college level.


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For the umpteenth time, Wilson and Brees are the exception to the height rule, they are not the rule, itself. I've got 30 other NFL quarterbacks who have something to say about preferred height.

Manziel is short therefore he will have comparable success to Wilson and Brees?

Terrible argument and wholly flawed.

 

[Chris]

The new post ratings are dumb.

Cue fifty people ranking this post Dumb. IDGAF.

 

[The Voice]

For the umpteenth time, Wilson and Brees are the exception to the height rule, they are not the rule, itself. I've got 30 other NFL quarterbacks who have something to say about preferred height.

Manziel is short therefore he will have comparable success to Wilson and Brees?

Terrible argument and wholly flawed.

So why can't Johnny become an exception to the rule?

Your argument is flawed by saying he's too short, when in fact their are exceptions to the rule.

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[The Voice]

Is Drew Brees' style of Quarterbacking the best comparable for Manziel? Or is he just only slightly taller than Manziel so the first guy you think of? Do you see Manziel becoming a pure pocket passer at 5'11? I don't

No, but that wasn't the point. The point was there are exceptions to the bs argument of "he's too short".

Russ is the better comparison and certainly the guy you'd want Manziel to model his game after. Russ also has a great situation around him. If Manziel is to be even above average he'll need what Russ has around him and to become a better decision maker.

Josh Gordon is better then any wr Seattle has. If he can stay on the field, I'd even say Cameron is a better TE then Seattle has. A lot of the wr Seattle had success with were UDFA's and lower round picks, similar to what we have going on without gordon.

Ben Tate and the backs have shown they are capable of carrying the load.

Our defense isn't comparable to seattles yet, but if they play like they did against the steelers we will have something comparable.

If I was our GM, I wouldn't have taken Manziel in the first place, so there'd be no debate to be had. He was successful at the college level with a playing style that nobody successfully plays in the NFL. The elite QBs in the NFL who have maintaned at least a few years of success right now are all pocket passers.

Yes and if I recall correctly you loved Sanchez (not as much as pip). So forgive me for not trusting in your qb talent evaluations.

If your argument for keeping him around if Hoyer maintains success is because he'll keep the Browns in the news, I think you're overvaluing hype based on a backup QB. First, it doesn't make the team a winner. Second, it's counterproductive to the team.

That is not at all my argument, but rather to let Manziel learn under Hoyer.

If one were to agree Hoyer was good enough to keep Manziel on the bench and agree that he should be traded, then where he was drafted has no bearing on how the league as a whole valued him. His value would be based on what the couple of teams interested in him would be willing to pay.

Hoyer would play well enough to keep Carr, Bortles and many other rookies on the bench. That doesn't mean they won't become better then Hoyer, but they are rookies. Bret Favre kept Rogers off the field his rookie year. I guess they should have traded him to...



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[The Oi]

Didn't care one way or the other for Sanchez and was fine with the trade.

I did like RGIII better than Luck though so...

 

[Tornicade]

Wilson brees and favre all have things in commons besides being under 6'3 and thats Hand size over 10 and 1 /4

there has been some speculation that hand sizes really is more important factor than actual height.. typically taller quarterbacks have bigger hands.

Manziel also happens to have large hands.

 

[godfather]

Manziel's throwing mechanics have come into question, along with his height.

I'm not in favor of trading him at the moment. I think the last think we should do is make premature decisions. Let things play out.

Hoyer doesn't need a contract extension yet. Manziel shouldn't start packing his bags. 5 games shouldn't seriously make these kinds of decisions yet.

I mean come on, you don't draft a guy in the first round and seriously consider trading him after 5 games.

 

[Randolphkeys]

The Browns had a plan - play Hoyer as long as he is effective while Manziel figures out the pro game - and the plan is working. I personally didn't think Manziel was the best fit as the developmental QB, but that is water under the bridge. Now I feel fine sitting back and watching the Browns compete for a playoff push. I am actually looking forward to Sundays again. That is good enough for me this year.

 

[Chris]

Missing a comma in there somewhere. I just know it.

 

[Randolphkeys]

Missing a comma in there somewhere. I just know it.

Flame wars are beneath you, strophe.

 

[OptimusPrime]

Missing a comma in there somewhere. I just know it.

That would be bad grammar, not bad spelling. We need a bad grammar button.

 

[Randolphkeys]

It seems at least two people need to read books above the 6th grade level. That is an appositive phrase.

Do not fuck with a grammar teacher.

 

[Tornicade]

The Browns had a plan - play Hoyer as long as he is effective while Manziel figures out the pro game - and the plan is working


In this case the Browns had a plan.. The Browns have many plans including in regard to Manziel, designating which plan they had would make the appositive restrictive therefore not requiring any commas or dashes.

The Browns had a plan and that plan is working. doesnt really tell the reader anything.