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What has Rivers done?

It's just The Optomist talking out of his ass... par for the course. Rivers jaws with people on the field. But that's where the parallels between him and Johnny end. Off the field Rivers is quite an amazing person. A few of my friends from San Diego have ran in to Rivers a few times and had nothing but nice things to say about the guy.

He is literally the opposite of Johnny Football in every way off of the field.

No mistaking the player, but Rivers the person is just misunderstood

The latest issue of Sports Illustrated -- available on iPad Oct. 10 and newsstands Oct. 11 -- features a story on Philip Rivers' quest for playoff success. Below, Jim Trotter looks at another side of Rivers.

The contrasting opinions about Philip Rivers the Player are understandable, considering he has yet to lead the Chargers to a Super Bowl while the three quarterbacks directly linked to him have combined to win five titles. One of those signal-callers is Drew Brees, who recently came to the defense of Rivers, his teammate in San Diego in 2004 and 2005.

"Philip is an elite quarterback," Brees said after throwing for four touchdowns in a 31-24 defeat of the Chargers and Rivers on Sunday in the Mercedes-Benz Superdome. "I know at the end of the day quarterbacks are judged on wins, losses and championships, but there have been Hall of Fame quarterbacks who've played this game and not won Super Bowls -- Dan Marino, Jim Kelly, Warren Moon, Dan Fouts. There are certain circumstances that sometimes come into play ..."

Brees paused.

"Philip's in the prime of his career and he could be in the prime of it for the next eight to 10 years," he continued. "The story is still to be written on him."

The same can't be said when it comes to Philip Rivers the Person. A large number of football fans closed that book years ago after TV cameras caught him jawing with opponents or fans in separate sideline incidents. He was immediately written off as being bratty and petulant, a trash-talker whose antics overshadowed occasionally brilliant performances.

Perception couldn't be further from reality in this case. Rivers isn't a boor. He's a devout Catholic who married his middle-school sweetheart; they have six children together. He doesn't curse or carouse and is firm in his priorities: faith comes first, then family, then football.

"You get exactly what you see with Phil," said Tampa Bay wideout Vincent Jackson, a former teammate, who grew up in Alabama. "Southern kid, family guy, competitive as an ox, tough as nails. Only thing behind closed doors people don't know is that he has a great sense of humor."

Rivers might be the most misunderstood player in the league. During his early years in the league people knew him as much for his trash-talking as his gaudy statistics, which, since moving into the starting lineup in 2006, rank No. 2 in yards passing and wins, No. 3 in touchdown passes and yards per attempt and No. 6 in rating. Most people's perception of him was based on a sideline staredown of QB Jay Cutler, who was with the Broncos at the time.

San Diego was leading 23-3 midway through the fourth quarter when, after a fourth-down stop of Cutler, Rivers was caught by ESPN cameras barking at the rival QB from the sideline. It didn't matter that he was saying "Atta boy!" to his teammates as they came off the field, or that Cutler had made an obscene gesture. The glare was so intense, the bark so seemingly vicious, that Rivers was painted as the bad guy.

His jawing with Colts fans during a 2007 playoff game at Indianapolis didn't help his cause, with fans or opponents. When asked about Rivers in 2009, cornerback Cortland Finnegan, then with the Titans, said: "I don't like him. Yeah, I said it. I don't like him. He needs to learn to keep his mouth shut. He talks too much."

Two years before that, after the Cutler incident, Broncos cornerback Champ Bailey said: "I don't really care for the guy, first of all. He's not a respectable guy right now because you talk too much trash and do this and that, but you're really not a great player in this league right now. You're surrounded by great players, but you're not a great player. I think he needs to understand where he stands in this league -- where he stands on his team first and foremost."

The comment initially stung Rivers, who has great respect for Bailey. He couldn't understand the fuss because his "trash talking" was never demeaning. Irritating? No question. But never demeaning.

His trash talk is like the fly that keeps buzzing around your plate at a picnic. Say he completed a pass on a linebacker or cornerback. He might bark at them, "Man, you're going to have to do better than that." Or, "You're going to give us that?" A deceptively good basketball player, particularly from behind the three-point line, he was playing in an offseason rec league when a teenager, playing for the opposing team, was too short to grab a full-court pass. Rivers, from the other end of the court, said to the kid: "Don't worry. In a couple of years you'll be tall enough to get that."

Irritating, but innocent.

Part of Rivers' charm is his southern twang and the use of words like "neat," "cool" and "golly" when he gets excited, or "rear-end" when discussing the body part that was figuratively kicked in a lopsided loss.

"I didn't respect him a lot early in his career, but he has proven that he's a good guy and one of the best quarterbacks in the league," Bailey told me this summer. "I have a lot of respect for him. I talk to him as a friend now."

It's almost impossible to know Rivers and not like him. At N.C. State, an assistant athletic director went so far as to thank him in the Wolfpack's 2003 postseason guide, saying it was a "privilege" to work with him. The university also took the unusual step of retiring his jersey before he was done playing. He was beloved as much for his conviction off the field as his competitiveness on it. But it is that fiery spirit, the animated body gestures, the shouting and flapping of the arms and running up on officials, that makes outsiders believe he has a lot of jerk in him. He doesn't.

Regardless of whether Rivers ever wins a Super Bowl, the final chapter will show that Philip Rivers the Player had nothing on Philip Rivers the Person.
http://www.si.com/more-sports/2012/10/10/philip-rivers
 
While I'm no huge Manziel fan, we've got to get over him cussing at a basketball game. It's more immature to bicker about him getting into the game than it was for him to be hollering at the refs... I mean, let's take a step back.
 
He isn't playing because we're 5-3 with Brian Hoyer as the starter, and you don't change QBs when your team is winning unless your starter gets hurt or you're up by 40 in the fourth quarter.


Don't tell this to the people who don't like how he's winning. (Chuck Booms, I'm looking at you)
 
I don't know about you guys but I prefer my QB to be a belligerent sports fan.
 
Did Johnny just tweet that he liked seeing Mike Evans ball out against his team? I sure the fuck didn't.
 
Did Johnny just tweet that he liked seeing Mike Evans ball out against his team? I sure the fuck didn't.

Ya.... Fuck that... He's basically slapping the DBs in the face.. This won't go over well, IMO.
 
He's giving love to his boy. I dont see a problem.
 
What a dolt. Great seeing him go off against your own teammates? Ugghh...just stop using the twitter.
 
He's giving love to his boy. I dont see a problem.
It actually is a big problem when you are tossing your current teammates aside.

Congratulate him, dap him, do what you must. But to say you "enjoyed" watching your own teammate get beat was probably the wrong way to go about it.

I'm sure Skrine appreciated it.
 
He's giving love to his boy. I dont see a problem.

Then call him, send him a text message or a gift basket.

Imagine if Johnny were to start Thursday against the Bengals and throw a couple picks to George Iloka. How do you think Johnny would react if George's former Boise teammate and friend Billy Wynn tweeted "great seeing one of my boys going off and getting a couple picks yesterday!".

Praising friends and former teammates is fine...but not when they are lighting up your own teammates! This kid is so dumb sometimes.
 
He said he enjoyed seeing his teammate for the past 3 years have a good game, he did not say he enjoyed watching his teammate get beat..

If Skrine actually gets upset with what Manziel said, then maybe he should actually become a better football player so it doesn't happen to him again.

I get that some of you really like Hoyer and really want him to remain the starter, but that doesn't mean you have to rip into Manziel and get your panties in a bunch for literally anything that he says or does off the field.
 
He said he enjoyed seeing his teammate for the past 3 years have a good game, he did not say he enjoyed watching his teammate get beat..

If Skrine actually gets upset with what Manziel said, then maybe he should actually become a better football player so it doesn't happen to him again.

I get that some of you really like Hoyer and really want him to remain the starter, but that doesn't mean you have to rip into Manziel and get your panties in a bunch for literally anything that he says or does off the field.
At the expense of his own guys? Come on, man... This in no way is indicative of his ability to challenge Hoyer as a starter. His talent is irrelevant here.

He's talking like a true dumbass and needs to think before he opens his mouth - it's never ending with this kid.
 

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