Johnny Manziel: Swan Won't Return His Calls

[Huber.]

I was asking specifically about the "Part of that was his lack of sobriety... which we hear he hasn't gotten a grasp on yet" part. If its just your opinion, you should say so, so that it is not taken as an unsubstantiated rumor. Because I haven't heard anything about him still having issues.

I'm not willing to bet on the number of starts Manziel gets. I am willing to bet that he starts more than Thad Lewis/ Connor Shaw combined assuming his current elbow issue isn't more serious than we are led to believe.

@Maximus follows Manziel around in his nacho truck and reports back with updates. So far, his reports are not good.

 

[Randolphkeys]

I was asking specifically about the "Part of that was his lack of sobriety... which we hear he hasn't gotten a grasp on yet" part. If its just your opinion, you should say so, so that it is not taken as an unsubstantiated rumor. Because I haven't heard anything about him still having issues.

I've read several posters on this site, I've talked to people who work around the breweries on W.25th. That is me hearing he hasn't got a grasp on sobriety. I think I was being generous in only mentioning two reasons the Browns shouldn't be counting on Manziel to play all 16 games if McCown gets hurt. No idea why "we hear he hasn't gotten a grasp on yet" is the deal breaker here.

I'm not willing to bet on the number of starts Manziel gets. I am willing to bet that he starts more than Thad Lewis/ Connor Shaw combined assuming his current elbow issue isn't more serious than we are led to believe.

My thesis was and continues to be value of keeping Lewis around the team as an inactive 3rd quarterback. Connor Shaw is supposedly shut down for the season due to the thumb. I would be very surprised if the Browns are counting on Pryor to be the third QB, especially since he hasn't spent a minute in the QB room this summer, nor has he been practicing the skills needed at the position.

 

[getBUCKED]

I thought we all agreed that he didn't go to rehab for alcohol? I'm pretty sure it was for substance abuse, most likely cocaine.

The drinking doesn't bother me one bit, it's more of the fact we wasted yet another first rounder on a player who needs serious development.

 

[Randolphkeys]

Pettine is feeling what I've been saying in this thread. Kinda like after a bunch of people thought I was full of shit when I said the starters aren't playing in the third quarter of the third preseason game. Pettine just keeps having my back when the microphone turns on:

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2015/09/jon_gruden_on_johnny_manziels.html#incart_2box

"...But coach Mike Pettine said Tuesday that the plan is for Manziel to begin throwing by the end of next week in hopes that he can be the No. 2 behind Josh McCown for the opener Sept. 13 against the Jets.

"Whoever our two quarterback is – right now we're hopeful that it's going to be Johnny – he has to be able to throw,'' said Pettine. "We're not going to roll the dice and go into a game, especially after (QB) Josh (McCown) showed us that he can be a little bit on the reckless side sometimes. No, Johnny, we're confident that he'll be where he needs to be, and like I said before, if we're not, then we'll address it appropriately."

 

[spydy13]

Pettine is feeling what I've been saying in this thread. Kinda like after a bunch of people thought I was full of shit when I said the starters aren't playing in the third quarter of the third preseason game. Pettine just keeps having my back when the microphone turns on:

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2015/09/jon_gruden_on_johnny_manziels.html#incart_2box

"...But coach Mike Pettine said Tuesday that the plan is for Manziel to begin throwing by the end of next week in hopes that he can be the No. 2 behind Josh McCown for the opener Sept. 13 against the Jets.

"Whoever our two quarterback is – right now we're hopeful that it's going to be Johnny – he has to be able to throw,'' said Pettine. "We're not going to roll the dice and go into a game, especially after (QB) Josh (McCown) showed us that he can be a little bit on the reckless side sometimes. No, Johnny, we're confident that he'll be where he needs to be, and like I said before, if we're not, then we'll address it appropriately."

All that says is they want two healthy QBs. If Johnny isn't healthy enough to be the backup going into the season then they will need to carry a legit third QB so that can actually be the backup in case of injury to McCown. That quote doesn't indicate if they plan to carry 3 QBs if both Josh and Johnny are healthy, nor does it indicate whether they think Pryor could be an emergency QB.

Also, McCown and the other starters played and scored a TD in the third quarter of the last game.

 

[Randolphkeys]

May want to read the whole article in regards to Manziel's health.

I liked that quote because it highlighted McCown playing recklessly and the need for insurance behind him, which was the point of my first post.

And the idea that Johnny should be playing the entire 3rd quarter with the starters remains epically short-sighted. Thad came in with the backups pretty quick after McCown put together that drive. Preseason games are a huge risk to starter's health for the regular season.

 

[spydy13]

May want to read the whole article in regards to Manziel's health.

I liked that quote because it highlighted McCown playing recklessly and the need for insurance behind him, which was the point of my first post.

I read it. It's a typical MKC article in that it has one bit of news and then proceeds to rehash anything she has every written tangentially related to that news.

Gruden is concerned, but he doesn't have the medical info so it's just an opinion. Other than that there is the update from Johnny about not needing surgery and that rest and ice will solve the problem.

I think we'll get our answer on the severity of it when they decide on the final roster, because you're right that they need insurance and if Johnny is too hurt to be that to start the year then I see them keeping Thad. If not, I see them rolling with Josh and Johnny to start the year and then finding a replacement for either guy if/when they get hurt.

And the idea that Johnny should be playing the entire 3rd quarter with the starters remains epically short-sighted. Thad came in with the backups pretty quick after McCown put together that drive. Preseason games are a huge risk to starter's health for the regular season.

Even if he would have just played that one series it would have given the team and Johnny more experience and knowledge of what would happen if he had to play with the starters because up to that point they had none. My point was acted like you were right about the starters not playing in the third quarter when they did in fact play.

 

[JSS2306]

I read it. It's a typical MKC article in that it has one bit of news and then proceeds to rehash anything she has every written tangentially related to that news.

Gruden is concerned, but he doesn't have the medical info so it's just an opinion. Other than that there is the update from Johnny about not needing surgery and that rest and ice will solve the problem.

I think we'll get our answer on the severity of it when they decide on the final roster, because you're right that they need insurance and if Johnny is too hurt to be that to start the year then I see them keeping Thad. If not, I see them rolling with Josh and Johnny to start the year and then finding a replacement for either guy if/when they get hurt.

Do you just sort of forget that Johnny injured his hamstring last year in the first or second game he played?

Johnny will not make it and that's not including his off-the-field antics. The organization made a huge mistake and they know it. As dumb as their mistakes have been, they know they have a massive mistake on their hands now that he's in their hands. Jimmy is learning the ropes and hopefully they suck this year so that they are set up to draft a QB in the first or second round.

You don't sign Josh McCown to be your starting quarterback unless you have a sketchy, drunk, young quarterback you drafted in the first round who threw away any chance at redemption the moment he decided to not show up for duty because he was out passed out at his crib.

 

[Randolphkeys]

I was a little annoyed that people were looking at half a line I wrote and going off on it while throwing away the majority of my post, that McCown's playing style makes me believe they need security at the third QB spot. There are countless reasons Manziel needs a secure #3 guy and his tennis elbow is just one.

you were right

Always, baby!

 

[spydy13]

Do you just sort of forget that Johnny injured his hamstring last year in the first or second game he played?

Johnny will not make it and that's not including his off-the-field antics. The organization made a huge mistake and they know it. As dumb as their mistakes have been, they know they have a massive mistake on their hands now that he's in their hands. Jimmy is learning the ropes and hopefully they suck this year so that they are set up to draft a QB in the first or second round.

You don't sign Josh McCown to be your starting quarterback unless you have a sketchy, drunk, young quarterback you drafted in the first round who threw away any chance at redemption the moment he decided to not show up for duty because he was out passed out at his crib.

You are correct. Last year was a disaster for Johnny and he did get hurt quite quickly when he got the chance to play.

You are also right that they signed McCown to start and want him to be the starter. But the quote above that Keys posted has Pettine being "hopeful" that Johnny is the backup, meaning that while they are still obviously unsure if he can start they do believe he can be the backup.

 

[JSS2306]

You are correct. Last year was a disaster for Johnny and he did get hurt quite quickly when he got the chance to play.

You are also right that they signed McCown to start and want him to be the starter. But the quote above that Keys posted has Pettine being "hopeful" that Johnny is the backup, meaning that while they are still obviously unsure if he can start they do believe he can be the backup.

Sounds a lot like coach-speak from any coach... ever.

Hey man, if you want to be optimistic about the situation then I don't want to ruin your parade. Carry on.

 

[spydy13]

I was a little annoyed that people were looking at half a line I wrote and going off on it while throwing away the majority of my post, that McCown's playing style makes me believe they need security at the third QB spot. There are countless reasons Manziel needs a secure #3 guy and his tennis elbow is just one.

Fair enough. Although the fact that they were willing to go without a legit 3rd guy last year even with Johnny being in full meltdown mode leaves me doubting that they suddenly change their attitude this year, but I guess you're right that McCown being our starter this year instead of Hoyer means that there is a greater chance for injury (although Brian took his fair number of shots too).

I guess it all comes down to 1) whether or not Johnny is actually injured, and 2) how much they believe in Lewis over some other end of roster guy (Pryor or not). By my account they had Shaw as the third guy over Lewis before his injury, but they could felt highly about both.

Always, baby!

Spoken like a true teacher, @Randolphkeys

 

[spydy13]

Sounds a lot like coach-speak from any coach... ever.

Hey man, if you want to be optimistic about the situation then I don't want to ruin your parade. Carry on.

I don't think anyone is optimistic about our QB situation, but I just felt like you misreading the way the Browns feel about Johnny, at least as his intended role as a backup.

Now in a discussion about if we should keep a third QB, Thad Lewis being around is not making me feel a whole lot better about what we have going on and a similar type of player could be found later on in case of injury.

 

[Pick6]

Pettine is feeling what I've been saying in this thread. Kinda like after a bunch of people thought I was full of shit when I said the starters aren't playing in the third quarter of the third preseason game. Pettine just keeps having my back when the microphone turns on:

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2015/09/jon_gruden_on_johnny_manziels.html#incart_2box

"...But coach Mike Pettine said Tuesday that the plan is for Manziel to begin throwing by the end of next week in hopes that he can be the No. 2 behind Josh McCown for the opener Sept. 13 against the Jets.

"Whoever our two quarterback is – right now we're hopeful that it's going to be Johnny – he has to be able to throw,'' said Pettine. "We're not going to roll the dice and go into a game, especially after (QB) Josh (McCown) showed us that he can be a little bit on the reckless side sometimes. No, Johnny, we're confident that he'll be where he needs to be, and like I said before, if we're not, then we'll address it appropriately."

You might want to check who threw a TD pass in that 3rd quarter. And Pettine is clearly referencing Johnny's health. He is clearly the #2.

 

[AZ_]

Anyone want to watch the Alabama game again and remind me how it solidifies his future NFL stardom?