Johnny Manziel: Swan Won't Return His Calls

[spydy13]

Houston has moved back to Hoyer after fans hemmed and hawed for their unpolished Mallet far too early, costing Houston any chance at the playoffs. Houston lost against Indy, but Hoyer wasn't the reason.

First, don't blame it on the fans. Bill O'brian is the dumbass who made the switch too early.

Second, Hoyer gave them the chance to win before he decided to perform a fly ball drill in the midst of a potentially game winning drive.

 

[godfather]

First, don't blame it on the fans. Bill O'brian is the dumbass who made the switch too early.

Second, Hoyer gave them the chance to win before he decided to perform a fly ball drill in the midst of a potentially game winning drive.

He's still much, much better than Mallett. Mallett was hands down the worst starting QB in the NFL by a large margin.

 

[Randolphkeys]

First, don't blame it on the fans. Bill O'brian is the dumbass who made the switch too early.

Second, Hoyer gave them the chance to win before he decided to perform a fly ball drill in the midst of a potentially game winning drive.

You can play that game with any starter. "If ______ didn't throw that one pass..." Hoyer played well Thrusday, and McCown threw a few bad balls every week too. Both are the best their franchises have for now.

We are still talking about why coaches play the best QB every week until it's the last month of a lost season. I expect O'Brien to go hard after Hackenburg with Hoyer as the bridge QB next season.

And again... it's the Manziel thread.

 

[spydy13]

So to conclude, there just isn't any reason to talk about Manziel anytime soon. McCown won't be headed to a Pro Bowl, but you have to tip your hat to a career defining game.

Which is why I have no idea why our fearless leader, Joe Thomas, felt the need to put down Johnny in order to pick up Josh. However he's feeling about the fickle fans, there is no need to bring him up in that way.

Good job winning the game, Joe, but just shut up.

 

[godfather]

You can play that game with any starter. "If ______ didn't throw that one pass..." Hoyer played well Thrusday, and McCown threw a few bad balls every week too. Both are the best their franchises have for now.

We are still talking about why coaches play the best QB every week until it's the last month of a lost season. I expect O'Brien to go hard after Hackenburg with Hoyer as the bridge QB next season.

And again... it's the Manziel thread.

Any coach that thinks Mallett should be starting shouldn't have a job, period.

Maybe it was fan pressure, I don't follow Houston sports locally, but that's looking to be an awful decision. Hoyer clearly is better regardless of what people think of him.

 

[spydy13]

He's still much, much better than Mallett. Mallett was hands down the worst starting QB in the NFL by a large margin.

That's true. But he's still not a very good QB. Just like McCown and as we saw with him last year, he'll have good streaks and bad streaks.

That's again why I don't know why his coach decided to pull him so quickly when he supposedly won the job in camp by a wide margin.

 

[Randolphkeys]

Which is why I have no idea why our fearless leader, Joe Thomas, felt the need to put down Johnny in order to pick up Josh. However he's feeling about the fickle fans, there is no need to bring him up in that way.

Good job winning the game, Joe, but just shut up.

Same reason Joe talked about Johnny last year... the media and Johnny fans are consistently moronic distractions.

 

[godfather]

That's true. But he's still not a very good QB. Just like McCown and as we saw with him last year, he'll have good streaks and bad streaks.

That's again why I don't know why his coach decided to pull him so quickly when he supposedly won the job in camp by a wide margin.

I don't think Hoyer is as bad as some people make him out to be. Would I want him to be my long-term starting QB? No... But, he's capable of stepping in and helping your team win games.

Sure, he needs the perfect storm around him for that to happen. He's not going to make something out of nothing, but it was strange why any coach would value someone like Mallett, that might be Johnny bad, maybe worse even.

As for McCown, look, these guys are limited we get it. I don't think anyone should have Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers aspirations from the position.

I think some of you forget how hard it really is to find a QB most would find worthy now, and going forward.

We really have people nitpicking McCown's performance yesterday. It's like WTF is wrong! The guy plays well enough to win the game, and we still have to bitch and moan, and even analyze shit he doesn't do well to knock him down some. And just continue this "woe is me, we have no QB mentality" song that gets old.

I am not even a McCown fan, but if he can play like he has thus far, I'd be more than happy to take it, shut my mouth, and just enjoy it now.

Yes, we need a QB going forward. I don't think that's a newsflash to anyone particular. It's like I feel people can't enjoy anything at all when it comes to the Browns, even when it's kinda good.

What more can anyone really ask from McCown? The way he's playing we are good enough to be a winning team. Will it last? I don't know. But he's playing well enough for us to be a winning team at least, with limited talent, and shitty ass defense.

Other areas need to be picked up right now, certainly not McCown. The fact the QB position for once, isn't the downside of our problems is a blessing at this moment.

 

[Chris]

ITT: McCown actually did not play well yesterday.

Yeah, I'm done. Not saying I think he's a great QB, but he played pretty well, flaws aside. Shit, people are nitpicky.

 

[spydy13]

You can play that game with any starter. "If ______ didn't throw that one pass..." Hoyer played well Thrusday, and McCown threw a few bad balls every week too. Both are the best their franchises have for now.

You're right, but it was literally on the drive that would have tied up the game. They had plenty of time and not far to go, so he should have just taken the sack instead of tossing it up. Those are the kind of bonehead plays that keeps bridge QBs from being outright starters.

 

[spydy13]

Same reason Joe talked about Johnny last year... the media and Johnny fans are consistently moronic distractions.

Huh?

Maybe I'm missing something but I gathered from the quotes that Joe brought up Johnny on his own accord yesterday and not because of some media member.

 

[godfather]

Just curious how many people on this board can name me 10 QB's you'd need to have now and going forward. Where there's no debate about it.

Obviously discount Peyton, Tom, and Brees. They're all too old. Sure, we'd all take them now in a second, but they won't be around very long.

I am not sure I can give you 10 to be honest.

Rivers, Rodgers, Luck, Wilson, Romo and Ben to me are no-brainers.

Winston and Mariota its too early to say one way or another.

Guys like Flacco, Ryan, Eli Manning are in the middle boat. These guys aren't bad, and some have won Super Bowls, but often at times still leave a lot left to be desired. Hell, the Giants were ready to drive Eli out of town numerous times.

I don't think these are the QBs you'd be against having, but curse yourself out for not having either.

It's hard finding a QB you're sold on in this league. It just is.

 

[Randolphkeys]

Huh?

Maybe I'm missing something but I gathered from the quotes that Joe brought up Johnny on his own accord yesterday and not because of some media member.

Joe Thomas has earned the right to say to the media whatever he wants on the subject of football.

The media blitz for Manziel, which has been orchestrated, have only earned angry voice mail messages from the people at Snickers. Whoever orchestrated that TMZ crap just got Joe Thomas's very pointed media brush back. And I love it just as much as his shutdown pass protection.

 

[Chris]

I'd take Eli Manning and Joe Flacco in a second.

It's all about finding a QB you can build around.

 

[godfather]

I'd take Eli Manning and Joe Flacco in a second.

It's all about finding a QB you can build around.

I wouldn't. They're too erratic. I wouldn't be against taking them, but would you really lose sleep on not having them?

Hasn't Eli lead the league in turnovers for three different years? He'd be crucified for doing that shit here.

My point was the guys you'd be sold on now and going forward. Not necessarily QBs you wouldn't be against having on your roster.