Josh Gordon discussion

[AZ_]

His age (25) is absolutely relevant.

Not sure how anyone can dispute that at this point. Physical and mental progression are the two obvious answers as to why.

 

[AZ_]

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[AZ_]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Josh Gordon wants to be the best receiver in the NFL next season <a href="http://t.co/s8taTI6VRr">http://t.co/s8taTI6VRr</a></p>&mdash; ProFootballTalk (@ProFootballTalk) <a href="https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/statuses/416592178488414208">December 27, 2013</a></blockquote>
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[Soda]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Josh Gordon wants to be the best receiver in the NFL next season <a href="http://t.co/s8taTI6VRr">http://t.co/s8taTI6VRr</a></p>— ProFootballTalk (@ProFootballTalk) <a href="https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/statuses/416592178488414208">December 27, 2013</a></blockquote>
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This is soo yesterday. :chuckles:

 

[DawgOnKing]

Despite obvious reasons, Gordon making Pro Bowl team is absolutely huge for his offseason. I'm sure he'll have plenty of guys (current and ex-Pro Bowlers) in his ear about his potential and the type of contract he will command by staying clean.

I'm willing to bet he enjoys the Pro Bowl treatment and can $ee what his future has in store......

 

[oasis05]

Barry Bonds passed all his steroids tests. Gordon better be a little more proactive in getting tested outside of his nfl tests to make sure he's clean. Bottom line is he should know before he takes the tests whether he will be testing positive for anything and should be taking the steps nessesary to make sure that never happens again.

 

[godfather]

His age (25) is absolutely relevant.

Not sure how anyone can dispute that at this point. Physical and mental progression are the two obvious answers as to why.

No its not. Weeden's age doesn't matter that much. Why? You'd be lucky to get a QB playing for 10 years! If he was any good, which he wasn't, it would not have been that big of a deal. Roger Staubach played 10 years, and earn a spot into the HOF, grabbed super bowl rings. He didn't start playing at the same age as Weeden.

Why would anyone be fixated on age for the QB position? It's not about age, its all about health and ability to play. They aren't relied on their athletic ability, minus the RG3's of the world. They take a few step backs, and throw the ball. It's no different why pitchers can still go into their 40's, and still perform at a high level. You lose your speed and mobility more, but arm strength and accuracy last a lot longer. Hell, a 60 year old Nolan Ryan was still clocked at throwing at 90 mph.

His age is only glorified, because he happens to flat out stink, and its just icing on the cake knowing that Weeden is older than the rest, but is so freaking awful too.

The only thing relevant here is whether Weeden was good, and he wasn't. He was horrible. He's not bad because of his age. If he could play at a high level, no one would give a shit if he was 70.

Stafford's age and Weeden's don't mean one thing at all, because one QB has more experience than the other. That's not a serious justification toward Weeden. He's horrible, I know he is. But there's no justification for Matt Stafford to STILL be making Weeden like, dumb mistakes, regardless of his age. Because he's played the damn position a lot longer! You make it sound like 25, is 13.

There's not a big difference, at all, between the ages 25-30, when it comes to maturity, and growth as an adult. Not really. Minor differences for most, considering the individual. Both are still rather young individuals, and no one at the age of 30 is seriously seen as a superior adult in the real world. They're still referred to "kids".

 

[AZ_]

No its not. Weeden's age doesn't matter that much. Why? You'd be lucky to get a QB playing for 10 years! If he was any good, which he wasn't, it would not have been that big of a deal. Roger Staubach played 10 years, and earn a spot into the HOF, grabbed super bowl rings. He didn't start playing at the same age as Weeden.

Why would anyone be fixated on age for the QB position? It's not about age, its all about health and ability to play. They aren't relied on their athletic ability, minus the RG3's of the world. They take a few step backs, and throw the ball. It's no different why pitchers can still go into their 40's, and still perform at a high level. You lose your speed and mobility more, but arm strength and accuracy last a lot longer. Hell, a 60 year old Nolan Ryan was still clocked at throwing at 90 mph.

His age is only glorified, because he happens to flat out stink, and its just icing on the cake knowing that Weeden is older than the rest, but is so freaking awful too.

The only thing relevant here is whether Weeden was good, and he wasn't. He was horrible. He's not bad because of his age. If he could play at a high level, no one would give a shit if he was 70.

Stafford's age and Weeden's don't mean one thing at all, because one QB has more experience than the other. That's not a serious justification toward Weeden. He's horrible, I know he is. But there's no justification for Matt Stafford to STILL be making Weeden like, dumb mistakes, regardless of his age. Because he's played the damn position a lot longer! You make it sound like 25, is 13.

There's not a big difference, at all, between the ages 25-30, when it comes to maturity, and growth as an adult. Not really. Minor differences for most, considering the individual. Both are still rather young individuals, and no one at the age of 30 is seriously seen as a superior adult in the real world. They're still referred to "kids".

Roger Staubach, 50 years ago...Wonderfully flawed logic, I must say.

You really couldn't find anyone else in the last 50 years as an exception to the rule?

If Brandon Weeden were 25 right now and not 30, you honestly don't believe he would have more value around the league than he does now?

I'd find that incredibly hard to believe.

The refusal to look at age as a factor in the progression of an NFL player would be almost universally disagreed with league-wide.

 

[MoFlo]

Lets stop with the Stafford talk. I don't think anyone else cares at this point.

Back on topic, please:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>. <a href="https://twitter.com/Browns">@Browns</a> Josh Gordon could lead <a href="https://twitter.com/nfl">@nfl</a> in rec yds, yds per game &amp; yds per catch. Last player to do that? ... Wesley Walker '78 <a href="https://twitter.com/nyjets">@nyjets</a></p>&mdash; Scott Hanson (@ScottHanson) <a href="https://twitter.com/ScottHanson/statuses/417090125139439617">December 29, 2013</a></blockquote>
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[MD13]

Lets stop with the Stafford talk. I don't think anyone else cares at this point.

Back on topic, please:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>. <a href="https://twitter.com/Browns">@Browns</a> Josh Gordon could lead <a href="https://twitter.com/nfl">@nfl</a> in rec yds, yds per game & yds per catch. Last player to do that? ... Wesley Walker '78 <a href="https://twitter.com/nyjets">@nyjets</a></p>— Scott Hanson (@ScottHanson) <a href="https://twitter.com/ScottHanson/statuses/417090125139439617">December 29, 2013</a></blockquote>
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Makes me wonder... has anyone ever led the league in receptions AND yards per catch? Seems like that would be almost impossible to do.

 

[MGMT]

What's the record for receptions in a season? Did Welker set it that year he had like 340 catches?

 

[MoFlo]

What's the record for receptions in a season? Did Welker set it that year he had like 340 catches?

Marvin Harrison with 143 in 2002

Makes me wonder... has anyone ever led the league in receptions AND yards per catch? Seems like that would be almost impossible to do.

Went all the way back to 1966 & found nobody that's done it.

 

[MD13]

Marvin Harrison with 143 in 2002



Went all the way back to 1966 & found nobody that's done it.

Seems almost impossible that anyone could do that. He'd have to lead the league in receiving yards by some crazy margin, and would probably have to be an insane big play threat off of short passes. That may never happen.

 

[Ohio]

Did Gordon get the average yards per game record?

 

[Selby]

Did Gordon get the average yards per game record?

Might still depend on the guys that are playing later today and tonight.