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Kevin Love - Miami Ground Machine

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Is Kevin Love a Hero for Saving a Dog?

  • Yes

    Votes: 28 48.3%

  • Too Right!

    Votes: 2 3.4%

  • Hotter than Jimmy G

    Votes: 15 25.9%

  • Jim Chones

    Votes: 13 22.4%
  • Total voters
    58
Photon said:
Someone wrote KD and Green can hold his own against Love in the post. No they can’t, we just don’t give him proper space and pass to go at them. Passes are too late, force him to abandon his position or direct him in traffic.
To add to that, someone is always “looking” to clogg his path and drags another defender near him.

Clear the fck up and let him destroy them (or make the pass if doubled).
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Come on. In the finals KD was able to cancel him out on many possessions with aggressive ball denial. Even Lebron couldnt find him because of how well KD blanketed Love. Love couldn't seal Durant while Draymond couldn't be backed down. He just digs his elbow into Love's back and sits on his hook shoulder ready to contest the inevitable hook shot. Love also wasn't getting any joy from Klay. If he's backing down an elite perimeter defender, then there's a high chance he gets stripped.

They also aren't afraid to double him in the post. Love always turns the ball over when he's doubled. Gets tunnel vision and can't find an open man. Can't utilise his own low post gravity. Would benefit from a system that does it for him
 
fan0283 said:
Come on. In the finals KD was able to cancel him out on many possessions with aggressive ball denial. Even Lebron couldnt find him because of how well KD blanketed Love. Love couldn't seal Durant while Draymond couldn't be backed down. He just digs his elbow into Love's back and sits on his hook shoulder ready to contest the inevitable hook shot. Love also wasn't getting any joy from Klay. If he's backing down an elite perimeter defender, then there's a high chance he gets stripped.

They also aren't afraid to double him in the post. Love always turns the ball over when he's doubled. Gets tunnel vision and can't find an open man. Can't utilise his own low post gravity. Would benefit from a system that does it for him
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He can go against any big, just not KD/Green? It was too much of not letting things happen/LeBron depending offense this finals. We won with patience and guys doing their roles, just can’t go hitting emergency button too often and abandoning our own game whenever they catch some speed.
 
Sir'Dom Pointer said:
Green can definitely handle Love in the post... 100%. Durant can handle him enough with his length to make it less than optimal shot. It's just not a good idea to give the ball to Love in the post against GSW unless it's a mismatch against Curry/Klay. Love against GSW is turnover prone in the post because he isn't good enough/quick enough passer in the post to react to their defensive scheme/double teaming and his lack of length also hurts him in that regard.

The only one i'm giving the ball in the post is Lebron.
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That’s what’s wrong, the only one doing anything is LeBron. No. Let the others play, just can’t make them the bystanders and let them play and adapt to the tempo. If you reduce Love to the corner standing statue, than you are not doing yourself anything good.
In the 2016 we picked the shit out of them on offense and got any matches we wanted. So Love can take Dwight straight on but not KD? Not buying it. Not until we play like we are showing we can right now and we don’t go full LeBron mode. Because right now, Kev is doing a lot of great stuff against pretty good opponents(bigs) and we are playing great.
 
@Photon You can't disagree with facts bro. You can smash the diagree button all you want, but Love will not generate good offense from the post against his matchup. Generating offense from the post is not good offense unless you are a player like Lebron that can impact the game from the post with his passing aswell as his scoring. For gods sakes, we have Love at the 5 giving up size on game to game basis and the only ones that are going to make him pay for it are the Jokic and Davis of the world. Embiid the other night thew up garbage from the post and was bailed by the refs on numerous possesions and he is a huge mismatch down there.

Problem with posting Love as opposed to Lebron is that Love can't get a deep position and he isn't quick and strong enough to attack before the soft or hard double team comes. And if it comes, he is very limited in his passing angles because of his poor length and the ability to see over the double team. Love can not make the same passes that Lebron makes when he is double teamed. It's very easy to block his passing lanes and when him and Lebron are on the floor, it makes it even harder and more ineffective.

Posting is good to change some things up, but not for scoring efficiency... more so to get the player in foul trouble or to attack when a player is in foul trouble... but you need the refs on your side, and with they generally prefer GSW.
 
Except he can't go against any big. He also isnt roasting most of those big in the low post. He does a lot of his damage from the perimeter. Seems like you've been reading stats of h2h matchups without context
 
Photon said:
That’s what’s wrong, the only one doing anything is LeBron. No. Let the others play, just can’t make them the bystanders and let them play and adapt to the tempo. If you reduce Love to the corner standing statue, than you are not doing yourself anything good.
In the 2016 we picked the shit out of them on offense and got any matches we wanted. So Love can take Dwight straight on but not KD? Not buying it. Not until we play like we are showing we can right now and we don’t go full LeBron mode. Because right now, Kev is doing a lot of great stuff against pretty good opponents(bigs) and we are playing great.
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Don't understand where you are going with that. Love didn't post up Dwight, Love didn't post up Embiid, Love didn't post up Whiteside. Whiteside can't be bothered defending in space and doesn't close out on shooters and so he left Love open on the perimeter and when he did close out, Love attacked him off the dribble. Same thing with Embiid and Dwight but to a lesser extent, both of them hate guarding the perimeter.

Most effective way to attack for Bigs in 2018 is to attack from the outside-in...not from the inside out. Especially if you are undersized like Love and playing Center.
 
Javale KD and draymond were swatting the shit out of love. And draymond was blanketed him on the 3 point line. Which is also why frye can’t play against them. Going to love isn’t the answer.
 
I'd also like to add that you can just look at Cousins and compare him to Davis. Cousins added 3pt range 2 years ago and since then his eFG% increased from career avg of .474% to .510% last year and .520% this year... so his efficiency increased, but for some reason his teams don't have good offense with him on the floor. 102 ORTG to 101 DRTG, why? how is such a dominant player can't get past 108 ORTG for his career so far?

Davis otoh, has 124 ORTG and they the court for most of the game. How do you explain the difference in team ORTG?
 
Sir'Dom Pointer said:
@Photon You can't disagree with facts bro. You can smash the diagree button all you want, but Love will not generate good offense from the post against his matchup. Generating offense from the post is not good offense unless you are a player like Lebron that can impact the game from the post with his passing aswell as his scoring. For gods sakes, we have Love at the 5 giving up size on game to game basis and the only ones that are going to make him pay for it are the Jokic and Davis of the world. Embiid the other night thew up garbage from the post and was bailed by the refs on numerous possesions and he is a huge mismatch down there.

Problem with posting Love as opposed to Lebron is that Love can't get a deep position and he isn't quick and strong enough to attack before the soft or hard double team comes. And if it comes, he is very limited in his passing angles because of his poor length and the ability to see over the double team. Love can not make the same passes that Lebron makes when he is double teamed. It's very easy to block his passing lanes and when him and Lebron are on the floor, it makes it even harder and more ineffective.

Posting is good to change some things up, but not for scoring efficiency... more so to get the player in foul trouble or to attack when a player is in foul trouble... but you need the refs on your side, and with they generally prefer GSW.
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I can disagree with it because it’s not what I am saying. I am going about team not even going the right way with posting him up, I understand the times of backing in for whole 24 seconds era is long gone, but a quick post up, when you just lock a player down low and the next second you move, that’s where we are lacking and that’s where he can do a lot of damage (besides his standard rebounding amd flor spreading use). You can still use him a a space creator, but when he moves trough the paint is when you have to get a lot quicker with passing and adjusting angles.

I was really not clear with that, but we really are late on the deep passes, you can see LeBron yelling when he gets favorable position underneath and guys miss him, despite the fact that they are looking for him way more than for Love.
Like I said, it’s more of a clean it up situation, not change the system situation.
 
People are looking at Love being a plus player from the 5 position through an old paradigm whereas his success this year against legitimate big men is no fluke and it represents a shift in the paradigm. The notion that Love needs to somehow be the second coming of Kareem Abdul Jabbar, pounding the ball while he backs it down to the paint then shoots over everyone with a jump hook? That doesn't need to happen and any idea of that style needs to just go away.

Love has been thriving in a dynamic offense where people are moving and cutting, he has several options and his defender can't just dig in against him. He's going outside when matched up against a true big, he's taking smaller guys to the post. This year's version of Kevin Love has been more like Minnesota Love in the way he's dominated mismatches aggressively, and he just wasn't in the habit of doing that last year. Putting him at the 5 forced him into that mindset and it has worked.

I look forward to seeing Love going against the Warriors this year, with the Cavs keeping them more off balance and not allowing them to dig in making Love go one against three while the rest of the Cavs stand around watching. That was part of the problem last year, and the other part was Love didn't have the same aggressive mind set where he knows he can bully smaller players if he just gets a little movement and space.
 
Last 11 games in the 4th quarter:

70.3 DefRtg with Love on the floor. (Shump [74.9 but in only 3 games & 14 min] is the only other player on the roster under 93.0).

114.5 DefRtg with Love off the floor.
 
Talking about Love in the post against Green/KD is not a good argument against going to Love more against them.

He'll be running a ton of pick n rolls to get smaller players on him. I expect a ton of IT/ Wade & Love PnR when we play them.
 
Kevin is currently scoring 19 PPG on .612 TS%. He's 8th in the league on TS% for anyone scoring 19+ PPG this season. LeBron is #1 with a TS% of .663. Should he have gotten Harden's treatment on fouls, he'd be above .700 most likely. Combined with his much improved defense, he's been a beast. He's been producing massively in these reduced minutes, and the team defense seems to be holding other teams' offenses at bay while Fry just obliterates other teams on offense. Our big men are killing it.
 
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