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Kevin Love - Miami Ground Machine

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Is Kevin Love a Hero for Saving a Dog?

  • Yes

    Votes: 28 48.3%
  • Too Right!

    Votes: 2 3.4%
  • Hotter than Jimmy G

    Votes: 15 25.9%
  • Jim Chones

    Votes: 13 22.4%

  • Total voters
    58
Pretty sure that's what he did against Philly, but Kevin just missed the shots. They usually get him involved in the 1st quarter to get him good comfortable looks and hope he makes those so he can be in more rhythym later in the game shooting the ball. Kevin has not been able to mentally adjust to that offensive style yet.
Lmaooo. Wut?

Kevin Love had taken seven shots the whole game against philly. They posted him up once in that game and never took advantage of the mismatch he had against the smaller forward Covington.

I believe it's going to be an issue if they don't figure out how to get Love involved much better than what they're doing. It's frustrating seeing a big 6'10 guy stand at the perimeter all game. He can't create anything from there. He needs at least 7 good looks at the elbow every game.
 
Lmaooo. Wut?

Kevin Love had taken seven shots the whole game against philly. They posted him up once in that game and never took advantage of the mismatch he had against the smaller forward Covington.

I believe it's going to be an issue if they don't figure out how to get Love involved much better than what they're doing. It's frustrating seeing a big 6'10 guy stand at the perimeter all game. He can't create anything from there. He needs at least 7 good looks at the elbow every game.
Again, I ask what's the problem? During the regular season, this is what's winning games so you ride it. During the playoffs, with practice time up the ass, you can start to install more sets that involve Love because you need to counter the defense. Blatt doesn't need to blow his load and use everything in his arsenal during the regular season. I guarantee you he is saving some Love sets strictly for the playoffs.
 
Lmaooo. Wut?

Kevin Love had taken seven shots the whole game against philly. They posted him up once in that game and never took advantage of the mismatch he had against the smaller forward Covington.

I believe it's going to be an issue if they don't figure out how to get Love involved much better than what they're doing. It's frustrating seeing a big 6'10 guy stand at the perimeter all game. He can't create anything from there. He needs at least 7 good looks at the elbow every game.

So I decided to re-watch this game to see what happened with him. In the 1st 5 and a half minutes alone: they look for Love on a cut from the high post to the rim (turnover), post him up vs Covington (he loses the ball mid-shot and misses), Kyrie sets a flare screen for Love in transition after a pseudo handoff (3 pointer is good), hit him underneath the basket on an inbounds play (blocked by Noel), post him on the elbow vs Covington (doesn't even look at the basket, passes the ball out), post him up vs Mbah a Moute (misses a hook shot), and then run a high pick and roll with him and Kyrie (missed the oop with Mozgov in his way).

Seems like they did a good job of putting him in good spots so far, he just missed his shots. Now I have to watch the rest and see if they put him back at those same spots and he just passed up the shots, or if they just changed the way they used him after this stretch. I'll update eventually.
 
The thing is, it's not like Love isn't aware of this situation.

to win a seven-game series in June we're going to need everything that Kevin Love has

The key word here is JUNE. This is a process. Always was expected to be so. His teammates, and fans, would be best served by supporting him in this difficult process. The teammates already are.

If you're going to use someone else's words please have the decency to quote them.

We're long past the point of calling Love's adjustment a process and acting like anyone with a bad thing to say isn't supporting him. We're halfway through the season now, I'm interested in why the process isn't working out as expected. More specifically, why one of the league's best catch-and-shoot bigs is seeing a drop in efficiency playing next to superior offensive players. It's baffling to me.

By the way, as an aside, a theory of mine regarding his 3 point % is the lack of volume he shoots with as a Cav. I always think about the fact that Kyrie was 0-7 to start his 55 point game. The volume allowed him to fall into a rhythm. Love had plenty of volume with the Wolves.

As a Cav, if he misses a few he starts thinking that maybe he ought to make sure stud scorers Kyrie and Lebron should be taking those shots today. In other words, he has scorers above him in the pecking order here and therefore it gets tough for him to shoot his way out of a slump as Kyrie did that night..


You're putting way too much stock in an anomaly; most players that start 0-for-7 don't explode for 55 points. Volume doesn't guarantee a player finds his rhythm, taking better shots does. If volume alone was key for players shooting themselves out of slumps then Kobe Bryant wouldn't have been shooting 37% on the year.

That's partially why it's frustrating to see Love hitting such a low percentage of his threes; the shots he takes are never forced and always within the flow of the offense. I'd understand a player having an inefficient jump shot if he's regularly uncorking contested off-the-bounce threes, but that's not Kevin Love at all. Over 90% of his threes are catch-and-shoot opportunities that's he's only hitting at a 34.3% rate- a disappointing number considering he shot 39.9% on those same opportunities last year.

To me, what he needs is for Lebron to tell him to keep shooting, make or miss. Take more 2 point shots. That's an order from the KING! And for Lebron to back that up. After all, he' the guy with the ball all the time. Make sure Love gets that ball where he likes it and shoots it.


Already done. I don't know if you missed Dave McMenamin's article yesterday, but here's the ending of what LeBron had to say about this very subject- "I get him good looks. I want him to shoot the ball and he needs to shoot it with confidence."

It's been posted a few times already, but if Kevin Love is the most efficient player on post ups in the league I have no idea why going to him on the block is completely abandoned after the first quarter. The Cavs are also comfortable letting him face up from 18 feet out and attack longer defenders to start games off (matchups with Ibaka and Aldridge come to mind) these need to be worked into more elbow touches throughout the game for Love.

I didn't watch many Wolves games last year, but in the few I watched I liked the way Love and Kevin Martin ran handoffs around the extended elbows. They had so many wrinkles off of that single action; Martin rocketing around using Love as a screen, Love pivoting into a quick jumper, either of them stepping back into a three, and even a simple give-and-go with the exchange hidden well enough it mimicked play-action from a QB.

Sorry for the wall of text people, , I didn't even mention the lack of LeBron/Love pick-and-rolls and I've already wrote a novel.
 
We're long past the point of calling Love's adjustment a process and acting like anyone with a bad thing to say isn't supporting him.

No one thinks 'criticism = you're not supporting him', but you're kind of overreacting. At least wait until after the all-star break when he's rested and hopefully healthy.

Tim Legler's analysis is Kevin (1) is a matter of rhythm, not confidence, and (2) doesn't look healthy.

"I also think he hasn't been completely healthy all year. His back doesn't look right to me--the way he runs the floor--doesn't look the same."

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=12272062
 
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Rest of the 1st quarter: runs a high pick and roll with Kyrie and slips the screen (Kyrie doesn't look for him, he was open IMO), wing pick and roll with JR Smith gets him the ball in the low post at the rim (kicks pass out to Kyrie for an open 3 which is missed), posting up Grant on the elbow and floats off his spot before the entry pass which he now catches closer to the 3 point line, passes back out to LeBron, floats away as LeBron posts up and his man doubles down, LeBron finds Love for a wide open 3 at the top of the key (missed the shot).

2nd: catches the ball in the corner (instantly kicks ball right back out, bad spot for him), posts up Grant (entry pass from LeBron results in a foul), seals off Grant on inbounds play (LeBron finds him under the basket and he is fouled shooting), posts up Noel (Kyrie is looking for him, but Love can't keep Noel sealed), posts up Grant (pass is knocked out of bounds), posts up Noel (again, Love can't keep Noel sealed, Noel steals the pass).

3rd: sets up on the elbow, again floats off his spot and receives the pass around the 3 point line (passes out), sets up on the elbow again, and again he floats off his spot and receives the ball at the 3 point line (passes out again), Cavs run a set play for him, set a cross screen in the post for him which has him cutting towards the ball with his man trailing him in the low post (weak post up of Covington leads to a turnover). He is then subbed out at the 7:30 mark for the rest of the quarter. He looked tired and slow on offense, did nothing with conviction, and his posts up since early in the 1st have all looked very weak. He just looks weak in general out there right now.

4th: sets up a post up on Covington in the mid post, Covington pushes him so much that by the time he catches the ball he is a step inside the 3 point line (passes the ball out), floats around the 3 point line on a possession, but eventually crosses over into the paint to the play side of the floor (doesn't even attempt to get around Covington and post up in the low post), is spotted up in the corner and wide open when his man leaves to help on a driving LeBron (LeBron doesn't look for Love), LeBron fires a cross pass on a drive to a wide open Love for 3 (hesitates on the shot, passes to Delly), doesn't seal down far enough on Covington and again receives a pass posted up just inside the 3 point line (Covington pushes him off his spot, knocks the ball away, Love passes to Kyrie), runs the dual high pick and roll for Kyrie with LeBron (doesn't roll hard and stops moving when he runs into Covington halfway though the paint), sets up for a wing pick and roll with Kyrie (Kyrie passes before using the screen), spotted up wide open for 3 (LeBron cross court pass is errant and overthrown for a turnover), is posting up Covington on the elbow off an inbounds play (Covington works through Love's weak seal and knocks the ball away for a turnover). Honestly, the theme of this quarter was he just floated outside the 3 point line, and when he had his chances to post up and make something happen, Covington pushed him around or he refused to fight over top of his man in the post.

You brought up that we never utilized the mismatch between him and the smaller Covington. Honestly, watching this game, you would think Love was the smaller player. He was pushed around by Covington consistently, wouldn't work to get over top of him in the post in the 4th, floated around the 3 point line, and just looked flat out tired, slow, and weak on the offensive side the last 3 quarters of the game.

I don't think the offensive system has neglected Love at all. He and his teammates (on occasion) have neglected him on the offensive side for stretches, but we aren't completely ignoring him or utilizing his mismatches on that side of the floor (hard to have a mismatch when the smaller guy is pushing you around)...for me it all goes back to this common thing we keep hearing about him...he just doesn't look healthy out there.

Now, to Love's credit, he was incredibly active and busting his ass all game on the defensive side of the ball and rebounding the ball, which he has been consistent at throughout the win streak. He's going through the anti-Kyrie phase from a few seasons ago (where he took his breaks on the defensive side of the ball) and is taking breaks on the offensive side of the ball it seems. That, and again, the guy just needs the All-Star break in the worst way possible. Almost hurts just to watch him lumber down the court right now.
 
For a visual on the 1st play of the 4th, where Love is posting up Covington in the midpost and is pushed out to the 3 point line:

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So basically he doesn't see anything wrong with the way he's using Kevin Love? That's an issue.

Everybody know he can fucking score. The issue is him not getting good looks besides the fucking three.

Get his ass to the elbow instead of lurking at the perimeter. How hard is this? Kevin needs to start inside out and give him the confidence to hit them shots.

Fuck.

I think what he is saying is we are winning and part of that is the spacing Love gives the other players. While this might not be the most effective way to score for love, Love's presence opens up much for the rest of the team and Blatt feels this is the best use of him.

Think of him as Hayden who hardley ever gets thrown at. A decoy isnt always a bad thing. But yes, i agree, i would like to see him used at the elbow a few more times a game.
 
So basically he doesn't see anything wrong with the way he's using Kevin Love? That's an issue.

Everybody know he can fucking score. The issue is him not getting good looks besides the fucking three.

Get his ass to the elbow instead of lurking at the perimeter. How hard is this? Kevin needs to start inside out and give him the confidence to hit them shots.

Fuck.

From the quotes I interpreted it as Blatt saying "We have sets / options installed for Kevin I just needed to A.) remind some guys to run the plays called in game or B. remind Kevin he needs to work harder getting to his spots."

I didn't interpret it as "We have not installed things for Kevin and don't plan to."
 
So basically he doesn't see anything wrong with the way he's using Kevin Love? That's an issue.

Everybody know he can fucking score. The issue is him not getting good looks besides the fucking three.

Get his ass to the elbow instead of lurking at the perimeter. How hard is this? Kevin needs to start inside out and give him the confidence to hit them shots.

Fuck.

Nice
 
Kevin did not play against the Clippers in win 2 of this win streak (back spasms). Tristan had a very good game. It will be interesting to see how Kevin plays tonight and how Blatt handles the minutes of Love and Tristan.
 

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