Kevin Love - Miami Ground Machine

[KilgoreTrout]

If Embiid was healthy, Wiggins goes #3.

If Embiid was healthy, does he get shipped to the T-wolves?

 

[Cashius X]

K. The only thing Harden is better than Love at is drawing fouls IMO. A one trick pony who exploits the system and got exposed in the playoffs with a .376 FG% and 115 DRTG is not better than Love. Love>Harden in PER, WS, OTRG, DTRG and most advanced metrics. Love is a better scorer, rebounder, defender, passer and more efficient player. Harden is a good scorer but also a bit of a chucker with minimal impact. Love has a higher impact as a player and opens up more opportunities for those around him.

He was the only person on the Wolves squad who could be relied on in late game situations. Love was 12 of 27 in crunch time situations last season while the rest of the team went 12 of 49. The Wolves were actually much better than their record but because of Love's teammates being horrible in late game situations their record doesn't reflect their ability. Harden team has no excuse to get bounced in the first round with the amount of talent they had and the fact that they did shows how Harden can not be a cornerstone on any team. Harden is one of the most overrated players in the NBA and he only gets undeserved recognition because the SG position is so weak. He's not even a top ten player in the NBA

Better than the "LMAO" post but not by much...

You're such a Love Stan that it appears as though you can't even be objective in this discussion. You're really going to call James Harden "not even a top 10 player in the league?" That's ridiculous.

James Harden has been to the playoffs in the West as "The Man" on his team. Carried his Rockets team to a 45-37 record and the 8th seed in the playoffs his 1st year there. When has Kevin Love ever taken his team to the playoffs? And the excuse that his team has been trash in Minny doesn't hold value here as that Houston team that Harden carried his 1st year was just as bad, if not worse, and in the same tough Western Conference.

Also, that Rockets team went up against a good Blazers team just last year. That was the Rockets first year with Dwight Howard...excuse me for not overreacting like you and declaring that "Harden can not be a cornerstone on any team" because of his performance.

And if you really only think that "the only thing Harden is better than Love at is drawing fouls" then you need to reevaluate both players. The fact that you then go on to say Harden is a borderline chucker and with minimal impact is also blatantly false. You're really going to try to argue that James Harden, the guy with a higher TS% than Kevin Love and a comparable PER, is a chucker that has minimal impact on the game? Good luck with that...

Lastly, stop trying to be "that guy." Do you honestly think posting, "LMAO" was necessary or warranted? In fact, the fact that you find it so laughable really reflects on your basketball knowledge, or lack thereof. Regardless of whom people think is better, the gap between them isn't so wide that it's laughable to suggest one is better than the other.

 

[Simmy]

i might actually convince my girl to watch bball this season

she asked me, "is this kevin love guy really good? because he's cute"

the last time she asked me about a player was when she heard we might end up w kris humphries in a trade (she knew him from that ridiculous kardashian show)

I'll do you one better: I convinced my girl to fly to Cleveland with me before we embark on the rest of our US vacation AND to come to a Cavs game. She too only seemed to know Kris Humphries but credit must go to her as she's pretty much learnt the entire team over the last few years.

I can't tell if that's attributed to her commitment to me or the fact that I talk about nothing else and she has no choice but to remember certain things. Either way, it's commendable.

 

[LoveStan]

Better than the "LMAO" post but not by much...

You're such a Love Stan that it appears as though you can't even be objective in this discussion. You're really going to call James Harden "not even a top 10 player in the league?" That's ridiculous.

James Harden has been to the playoffs in the West as "The Man" on his team. Carried his Rockets team to a 45-37 record and the 8th seed in the playoffs his 1st year there. When has Kevin Love ever taken his team to the playoffs? And the excuse that his team has been trash in Minny doesn't hold value here as that Houston team that Harden carried his 1st year was just as bad, if not worse, and in the same tough Western Conference.

Also, that Rockets team went up against a good Blazers team just last year. That was the Rockets first year with Dwight Howard...excuse me for not overreacting like you and declaring that "Harden can not be a cornerstone on any team" because of his performance.

And if you really only think that "the only thing Harden is better than Love at is drawing fouls" then you need to reevaluate both players. The fact that you then go on to say Harden is a borderline chucker and with minimal impact is also blatantly false. You're really going to try to argue that James Harden, the guy with a higher TS% than Kevin Love and a comparable PER, is a chucker that has minimal impact on the game? Good luck with that...

Lastly, stop trying to be "that guy." Do you honestly think posting, "LMAO" was necessary or warranted? In fact, the fact that you find it so laughable really reflects on your basketball knowledge, or lack thereof. Regardless of whom people think is better, the gap between them isn't so wide that it's laughable to suggest one is better than the other.

The chucker statement was off but Love still has a bigger impact than Harden. Also, Harden's 2012-2013 season roster was better than Minnesota's 2013-2014 roster and more balanced. Not to mention although Minnesota had a terrible coach in Adelman who stubbornly played vets and scrubs over more talented players. As far as Harden's TS% being higher than Love doesn't mean Harden is more efficient or a better shooter. The Rockets had multiple scoring options and threats which took pressure off of Harden and gave him more open looks along with lanes to the basket. The Wolves had no legitimate scoring threat to defer to outside of Love. Rubio can't shoot, Martin was nothing more than a streaky spot up shooter who was terrible in the 4th qtr, Corey Brewer needs others to create for him and Pekovic was hurt for most of the year leaving a rookie Dieng in the lineup. The fact that Love put up a TS% of .591 better than Griffin, Aldridge, Davis, Duncan with that lineup is nothing short of amazing. Wolves were a much better team than their record showed but historically unlucky and bad in close game situations with a record 2-12 in games decided by 4 points or less.

Yes, James Harden is not a top ten player in the NBA and yes I laughed at your post because I found it hilarious. If you made a similar post i'd laugh again, label me as "that guy" idk. Maybe this year when the Rockets struggle this year and miss the playoffs people will stop talking about him. LeBron, Love, Durant, Paul, Melo, Curry, George, Griffin,Davis, Westbrook are all better than Harden along with others.

 

[shoes22]

If Embiid was healthy, does he get shipped to the T-wolves?

If Embiid had no injury risk, then no, you don't trade him for Love. He is legitimately a MVP caliber prospect.

 

[gratefuldead]

If Embiid had no injury risk, then no, you don't trade him for Love. He is legitimately a MVP caliber prospect.

you do whatever lebron wants imo

if lebron says trade embiid for love or im not coming back, u say no?? lol

embiid might have netted us love and dieng though

 

[LoveStan]

you do whatever lebron wants imo

if lebron says trade embiid for love or im not coming back, u say no?? lol

embiid might have netted us love and dieng though

I don't think Flip would trade for Embiid if the Cavs drafted him as they are already set at the C position with Pekovic and Dieng. In my mind the Cavs drafted Wiggins knowing he was the guy who Minnesota wanted.

 

[Cavatt]

TS% values ft% a lot. Corey Maggette used to have a great ts% too in that 60% ballpark. Conversely. Dion's poor ft% has hurt his ts%

 

[Cavsfan161]

I don't think Flip would trade for Embiid if the Cavs drafted him as they are already set at the C position with Pekovic and Dieng. In my mind the Cavs drafted Wiggins knowing he was the guy who Minnesota wanted.

Pretty much, it's the seal that would top any anybody else could counter.

 

[Baseline Runner]

Yeah, I think a lot of us, myself included, fell in love with Wiggins' upside initially as opposed to being realistic about his potential limitations as a player (poor handles, limited vision/passing, streaky shooting, questionable feel for the game). It's not often you get a chance to trade for a top five to ten player in the NBA, and Wiggins is by no means the prospect that a guy like Anthony Davis was. He wasn't even the consensus number one pick in the draft.

That was only because this was a loaded draft, not that he wasn't a great prospect. There have been many other cases of great players like Jordan, Bird and Carmelo/Wade not being consensus number ones for similar reasons.

 

[CalBuckeyeRob]

That was only because this was a loaded draft, not that he wasn't a great prospect. There have been many other cases of great players like Jordan, Bird and Carmelo/Wade not being consensus number ones for similar reasons.

I will give you that with Jordan. Olajuwon and Jordan were considered to be elite and only the presence of Drexler caused Portland to screw up the pick and take Bowie. Bird was not picked #1 because he had the option of returning to college for one more year and not signing--he did go back to college but because he wanted to play for Boston, signed after the season with them. Wade was not considered to be an elite prospect and Carmelo was seen as only a scorer. http://sports.espn.go.com/nbadraft/d03/story?id=1572845 The ultimate problem with Wiggins is more about expectations. At age 16, he was seen as the next LeBron. After his freshman year at Kansas it was clear he was not. I think that has caused people to see what he is not but they are not sure what he really is yet. His upside made it easy for me to favor taking him over Parker. The uncertainties made me comfortable dealing him for Love.

 

[Jack Brickman]

That was only because this was a loaded draft, not that he wasn't a great prospect. There have been many other cases of great players like Jordan, Bird and Carmelo/Wade not being consensus number ones for similar reasons.

It was also because his freshman season didn't quite match up with his high school hype, which happens with a lot of guys when they start going up against tougher competition.

 

[Marcus]

If Embiid was healthy, does he get shipped to the T-wolves?

Nope. Not at all. At that point, I think the Cavs just try to ride or die with Anthony Bennett and Tristan Thompson at the 4.

Only way I would even remotely see an Embiid/Love swap happening in that case is if Dieng was included, and without a pick going out to Minnesota. But that's a mighty big if. This team has been devoid of a healthy, good center for quite some time (not including the time that Spencer Hawes spent here when he played better than expected).

Regardless, it's a good problem to have. They've got depth for days on the wings, they just need another backup PG and a rim protector and they're set. Backup PG should be an easy one to get, but rim protector is probably going to be a little more costly.

 

[Mdog1]

In an alternative reality where Embiid has no injury risk, no way do you trade him for any reason. That kid has all world potential at the hardest spot to find a great player.

Wiggins is a much easier pill to swallow from a trading him perspective.

 

[Damien O'Connel]

Everyone clamoring for a backup point....Dellavedova is literally the PERFECT backup for this team. Why are we so eager to replace him? Who can provide more than he will?