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Is Kevin Love a Hero for Saving a Dog?

  • Yes

    Votes: 28 48.3%
  • Too Right!

    Votes: 2 3.4%
  • Hotter than Jimmy G

    Votes: 15 25.9%
  • Jim Chones

    Votes: 13 22.4%

  • Total voters
    58
It doesn't bother me, but it just makes us look like dumb homers. Sure, it's our forum, we can be homers, I guess, but not all of us are interested in that.
I mean.....if someone makes a comment about Hitler that's not true, you just go ahead and let them. "Well actually Hitler rescued a dog from an abusive home once!"

Hitler is shit and the Heat are shit. These are the main two absolutes in life.
 
i laugh every time I see the title of this thread, please dont change it..

But I will literally pay someone five bucks if they can think of an actual nickname thats in use that is whiter than "the menace"

The White Menace. pay me.
 
The White Menace. pay me.
ah but this insinuates someone outside of the white race has created the name, making it less white.

face it, its impossible.

you know the last 'the menace"? fackin this guy

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I apologize for derailing. I am done.
 
Okay, okay, okay. I was exaggerating a little. They did some winning. But no championships for 5 years, and the one they GOT was tainted!

We haven't won a title in the 44 years this franchise has existed, so perhaps we shouldn't be looking down on other teams for a five year title drought.
 
Cavs need more Kevin Love
Downsizing his game to fit with LBJ and Irving has limited Cleveland's offense
Originally Published: November 13, 2014
By Bradford Doolittle | ESPN Insider

Heading into the 2014-15 NBA season, we forecast the Cleveland Cavaliers to post a historic level of offensive efficiency. What else would a projection system say about a team that signed the league's best player in LeBron James, traded for a top-10 player in Kevin Love and teamed them with emerging star in Kyrie Irving? Yet it's also an unfair forecast. There is nowhere to go but down from there.

Cleveland's ninth-ranked offense has been solid despite some well-publicized bumps, especially in the ball-movement category. Yet it's not nearly what we thought the Cavs' offense would be, and not nearly what it will likely become. The attack has been well-above league average when the "big three" have shared the floor, averaging nine points per 100 possessions better than the league average. If that sounds awesome, it's really not. According to NBA.com, among the 250 threesomes to play the most minutes so far this season, 57 have a better offensive efficiency than Irving, James and Love. Power trios like this are supposed to be the tide that lifts their teammates' proverbial boats, but the Cavs' three has just been treading water.

The early issues between Irving and James have gotten a lot of attention, but the player who has seen the biggest shift in his accustomed role has been Love. And if the Cleveland offensive rating is to soar to levels that can offset an iffy defense, the team must get more out of Love. How? The answers are simple, but the execution is complex. Love needs to be more assertive. At the same time, he needs to be put in better position to do more damage.

The evolution of Love

The move to Cleveland has amplified Love's unceasing drift out to the 3-point line and away from the offensive glass (see chart below). In every season of Love's career, the portion of his possessions used by 3-point shots has increased, and his offensive rebound rate has decreased. Love entered the league as a traditional power forward, with top comparables in SCHOENE likeElton Brand and Amar'e Stoudemire. Now, he's a prototype for a 21st-century big who does the dirty work on the defensive glass and fires away from the perimeter on the other end.

The Love movement
YEAR3PA%ORB%
3PA%: percentage of possessions used terminated in 3-point attempts
ORB%: percentage of teammates' misses retrieved

2008-092.815.1
2009-1016.414.5
2010-1120.613.7
2011-1226.611.6
2012-1330.911.5
2013-1435.58.5
2014-1536.84.6
Before this season, Love's top comparables inSCHOENE were Dirk Nowitzki and Chris Bosh, the latter of whom has his own stories to tell aboutadapting to the role of third option on a potential title contender. Now he's playing more like New Orleans' Ryan Anderson. Last season for Minnesota, Love had a usage rate of 29 percent, a number down by nearly 8 percent with the Cavs. No matter how you slice it, Love has downsized his game to fit with James and Irving. And the adaptations can all be grouped under the same umbrella: sacrifice. It's not that he can't do the same things. He's just not being asked to.

The problems start with touches, and not quite in the way that you'd think. According to SportVu, James, with 5.6 minutes of possession and 75 frontcourt touches per game, and Irving, with 6.7 and 77.5, respectively, rank among the top 15 most ball-dominant players in the league. Yet Love's average time of possession of 2.4 minutes is the same as it was last season, and his average frontcourt touches have fallen by only slightly more than five, from 49.7 to 44.1. That difference adds up over a season, but it's still not the dramatic decrease you'd expect. More of an issue has been the quality of touches -- getting Love the ball where he can do the most damage. Last season, Love averaged 7.2 close touches per game (seventh in the league) and 11.6 elbow touches (second). This season, he's at 5.5 close touches and 4.8 elbow touches.

Another illustration of Love's glaring evolution is the play types on which he's utilized. According to Synergy Sports Technologies, Love is averaging 13 plays per game combined on post-ups, spot-ups and as the finisher on pick-and-rolls. That's actually up from 11.6 last season in Minnesota. The problem is that those are the only ways he's getting offense in Cleveland. He's averaging just five plays per game on things like offensive putbacks, cuts, transition shots, isolations, handoffs, and looks off screens. In Minnesota, he was getting 13.9 plays per game in those various facets of the offense. His role in Cleveland has been far more simplistic. You'd expect that to a certain extent, but not to this drastic degree.

The problem is more than one of usage rate. This role also underutilizes Love's considerable abilities as a passer. Last season, he averaged 4.4 assists on 8.4 assist opportunities per game, per SportVu. This season Love averages 1.8 assists on 3.5 assist opportunities. His assists per opportunity rate has remained about the same. Yet coach David Blatt's offense has limited both the quantity and the quality of Love's passing. Last season, Love created an assist opportunity for every 7.2 passes. This season, it has taken him 17.2 passes to create a scoring chance for a teammate. His turnovers are down, a natural byproduct of going from creator to finisher/spacer, but that still leaves a valuable untapped resource in the Cleveland toolkit.

Possible solutions

Love hasn't always been a particularly high-usage player. Most NBA stars build up to heavy workloads, and Love was no exception. In fact, his first elite-level season came before he turned into a high-usage offensive dominator. The first season in which Love finished in the top 10 in WARP was 2010-11, his third NBA campaign. His usage rate that year was 23, or 6 percent below last season. That's a doable figure in this Cleveland configuration, if only Blatt can better leverage Love's skill set.

The shift of Dion Waiters to the second unit helps. The quartet of James, Irving, Love and Anderson Varejao has an offensive rating 16.9 points better withShawn Marion than it did with Waiters in about the same number of minutes. However, while the Waiters move has allowed James and Irving to return to normal levels of usage, that has not been the case for Love, who can certainly be more assertive, particularly when it comes to finishing at the rim.

At the same time, Blatt can run more sets through Love in the low and high post. Blatt hasn't really been running the traditional Princeton attack in which the center emerges as a primary playmaker, à la Vlade Divac and Brad Miller on the 2000's-era Sacramento Kings. Nevertheless, finding lineups in which Love can operate in this fashion would enable Cleveland to reap the benefits of his passing ability, while also giving him the chance to diversify his scoring arsenal. Blatt can also do a better job of shifting more of Varejao's possessions to Love. While the big three have all sacrificed usage rate in the early going, Varejao's is actually up by 3 percent. This needs to change.

Finally, Blatt can better stagger his rotations to get Love on the floor more often as the top option. So far, James and Irving have played an unsustainable level of minutes, so there should be more chances for Love to shine. Love has played a total of just six minutes without either James or Irving on the court during Cleveland's first six games.

If the Cleveland offense were ripping off points at the prodigious clip we expected, Love's role would be irrelevant. When the unit shines, everybody shines. But the unit isn't as sparkling as you'd expect, and the underuse of Love is a key factor. Love can do more, but he's got to do it without detracting from James and Irving. Thus are the travails of learning how not to be a No. 1 option, a course that Bosh graduated from a few years ago.

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I agree completely about the need to stagger more minutes of our Big 3.
 
I think all this will work itself out and by the end of this month this teams will be like 11-4 or 10-5 and will be showing even more glimpses of what is to come.. there will be games when Love is the leading scorer out there I can guarantee it... he has went against some very good big men early on and been very good.. his % will go up and so will his numbers.. his game could very well translate into that of Dirk's but he will be a better rebounder .. he can adapt just fine.. and his jump hook in the paint is money too... personally I think he should start the 2nd qtr with Dion and the offense should be ran through him while Kyrie and LeBron get a breather.. and that will come with time.. he is a very good passer from the post
 
Good point about using Love's passing from the high post. Love would be awesome in a Vlade like role at the top of they key. Those Sacramento teams ran the Princeton offense should be something Blatt can incorporate
 
One of the luxuries of having 3 elite stars is you can set your lineup so you always have at least one of them on the court. Ultimately it might be better to only have the big 3 together about 24 minutes a game then divide them up over the other 24 minutes.
 
lol @ this Bleacher Report notification I just got about how Love is thinking about opting out to go to LA next year. Oh really? Whens he thinking about that? When he's throwing assists to Lebron, draining 3s in the Q, or clowning with Kyrie? When does he have time to think........

"Man I really wanna go to LA right now"
 
Kevin Love has started to settle into the Cleveland Cavaliers' offense in the early part of the season primarily as an outside shooter, but Friday he found himself shooting down rumors.

There were three things on the big man's agenda that he sought to clear up: a media report that stated he plans to opt out of his contract this summer in order to join the Los Angeles Lakers; that much-talked about celebratory handshake he shared with Kyrie Irving after the Cavs' win over the New Orleans Pelicans on Monday; and his visit to Boston over the summer and what it meant to his interest (or lack thereof) in joining the Celtics.

Kevin Love took time Friday to shoot down multiple rumors.

On the first two, Love went ahead and killed two birds with one stone.

"Whatever [people assumed] we were doing with our hands was about as true as me going to the Lakers," Love said after shootaround in advance of the Cavaliers' game against the Boston Celtics. "I mean, I don't know why it was so hard for people to realize that we were actually curling our mustache. I guess because I had my fingers in the wrong place. Looking at the tape, film don't lie, it looks like we are doing something bad, but that wasn't the case."

Love has an early termination option in his contract that many assume he will exercise this summer in order to sign a new deal. But even if he goes that route, he wanted to be clear that he hasn't made his mind up about leaving the Cavs at this point.

"Going to the Lakers, no, that's not [true]," Love said. "I don't know where somebody got that."

And what about that clandestine meeting with Rajon Rondo at a Boston Red Sox game back in June?

Love was traded from the Minnesota Timberwolves to the Cavaliers in August, but before that deal went through, there were reports the All-Star forward had interest in going anywhere from Boston to Chicago to the Golden State Warriors to the Lakers.

Love maintained his visit had nothing to do with trying to see if he'd enjoy life donning Celtics green.

"The fact is, my agent is a big Red Sox fan," Love said. "I'd been planning on that for a long time to come in and check out not only the city, but a Red Sox game and we had a great time and we plan on coming back.

"It's tough because I wasn't a free agent last summer. I have potential to be a free agent this summer or next. It's just one of those things. It's obviously a tremendous city. People love it here. Basketball and sports in general are huge here, but it's been fantastic being a part of the Cavaliers now. We have a team that's formidable, has a big presence and we see a lot of you guys [in the media] on a daily basis."

Despite having to run through the rumor mill for the day, Love had an easygoing attitude about it all, at least outwardly.

"It's the world we live in now," Love said. "Stuff like that can happen."
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/1...rs-shoots-rumors-regarding-los-angeles-lakers
 

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