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I swear to God some of you on this board never watched any team but the Cavs -- sans playoffs -- the past four years. LBJ took off games all the time during the regular season in Miami. You know who else does? That Spurs team has a worse record than we do right now.

LeBron started taking games off after the Heat had won a title and he knew he could afford to because he didn't have to worry about his teammates. This team hasn't won shit yet, and he needs to lead by example and give effort on a nightly basis. Right now, he's sending a terrible message to the rest of his teammates with his inconsistent effort, taking plays off regularly, and refusal to listen to the coaching staff.

And comparing us to the Spurs is a joke. The Spurs are a model NBA franchise that just won a fucking title (and five titles the past twenty years). If they want to take games off, they've earned it. Our team hasn't earned a goddamn thing, and LeBron needs to understand that and demand that everyone play hard each night rather than being a malcontent.
 
This is more than Lebron taking games off..even when he did that in Miami it didn't look like this does.
It looks at times like he's just a ordinary player who doesn't have a lot of ball in him.
 
This is more than Lebron taking games off..even when he did that in Miami it didn't look like this does.
It looks at times like he's just a ordinary player who doesn't have a lot of ball in him.

I have this strange feeling that, as soon as we fire Blatt and hire someone LeBron is actually willing to play for, he'll magically remember how to play elite basketball and put in some fucking effort again.

Which is a shame, because he should have been doing that all along. But he is who he is, and I guess without Riley around to check his attitude at the door we'll just have to accept that.
 
From the rant thread:



I don't know SportVU's definition of "wide open" or "lightly contested" or "highly contested," but anecdotally, we've seen this team miss a so many wide open threes that could have broke games or gotten back into a game. We seem to miss clutch threes when making a run to get back into games all the time. Apparently, we're getting 8.33 wide open looks per game. Strangely, we were shooting 35.5% overall going into the game meaning we were hitting threes that were contested at a higher rate than wide open threes.

Overall, I think this is good news in that we should start hitting these soon enough and that we have somehow managed to post the 5th best offense in the league despite shooting shitty on open shots.

It also puts into perspective Atlanta's and Detroit's respective shooting performances. Teams aren't supposed to shoot like that on open shots in actual game time.

I'd like to know how many of those threes are generated from players standing around then getting a snap pass from LeBron. Anecdotally it sure seems like players struggle to hit those shots compared to getting looks in the rhythm of the offense after ball movement. Seemed that was when LeBron was here last time. How many players have seemed to not shoot their career 3pt % when they get to Cleveland?
 
LeBron started taking games off after the Heat had won a title and he knew he could afford to because he didn't have to worry about his teammates. This team hasn't won shit yet, and he needs to lead by example and give effort on a nightly basis. Right now, he's sending a terrible message to the rest of his teammates with his inconsistent effort, taking plays off regularly, and refusal to listen to the coaching staff.

And comparing us to the Spurs is a joke. The Spurs are a model NBA franchise that just won a fucking title (and five titles the past twenty years). If they want to take games off, they've earned it. Our team hasn't earned a goddamn thing, and LeBron needs to understand that and demand that everyone play hard each night rather than being a malcontent.

Yeah, and LBJ is older than he was four years ago. I know some of you guys want to pretend that LBJ didn't leave us for four years, but guess what, he did. LBJ needs to take some games off. He's done it his entire career and it's probably worse now. That's why we need guys like Kyrie and Love to step it up. LBJ is still the best player in the NBA, but pretending age does not affect him is asinine.

The reason the Spurs take games off is so they can win come playoff time. I know, amazing what happens when players are rested, huh?
 
Yeah, and LBJ is older than he was four years ago. I know some of you guys want to pretend that LBJ didn't leave us for four years, but guess what, he did. LBJ needs to take some games off. He's done it his entire career and it's probably worse now. That's why we need guys like Kyrie and Love to step it up. LBJ is still the best player in the NBA, but pretending age does not affect him is asinine.

The reason the Spurs take games off is so they can win come playoff time. I know, amazing what happens when players are rested, huh?

I would be ecstatic if LeBron actually "took some games off."

However his idea of playing in chill mode seems to be playing with minimal effort and then going to ball-dominate mode as soon as the going gets tough, resulting in him playing heavy minutes anyways.

If he would just focus on ball movement and not being the primary ball handler on 90% of plays, playing within the offense, setting screens, etc, it would be much easier on himself and the entire team.
 
I have this strange feeling that, as soon as we fire Blatt and hire someone LeBron is actually willing to play for, he'll magically remember how to play elite basketball and put in some fucking effort again.

Which is a shame, because he should have been doing that all along. But he is who he is, and I guess without Riley around to check his attitude at the door we'll just have to accept that.
Do U think thats what this is about? Because if it is, it really is crap..no one knows if Blatt can't become a quality NBA HC..and who is out there that Lebron is basking to play for?
Not asking U but I get tired of hearing this about him..and I know he has shown in his play whether he likes a coach or not.
 
I would be ecstatic if LeBron actually "took some games off."

However his idea of playing in chill mode seems to be playing with minimal effort and then going to ball-dominate mode as soon as the going gets tough, resulting in him playing heavy minutes anyways.

If he would just focus on ball movement and not being the primary ball handler on 90% of plays, playing within the offense, setting screens, etc, it would be much easier on himself and the entire team.
Okay, but for that to work Delly, Love, Miller, etc. need to be hitting open shots. Right now they aren't.
 
Do U think thats what this is about? Because if it is, it really is crap..no one knows if Blatt can't become a quality NBA HC..and who is out there that Lebron is basking to play for?
Not asking U but I get tired of hearing this about him..and I know he has shown in his play whether he likes a coach or not.

Well, I certainly don't think that LeBron magically lost his ability to play high-level basketball over the course of one offseason. Nor do I think he's lost as much athleticism as it can appear at times. The fact is, you just don't fall from the best player in the game to a guy who is arguably not even in the top ten in one offseason without a major injury, which we know has not happened.

Hell, we've seen LeBron play like the best player in the game a handful of times this season. Therefore, I think the problem is a lack of effort on his part, or at least a lack of anything resembling a consistent effort. Given all his bullshit about leadership and wanting to win one for Cleveland/Ohio, it's just been a massive disappointment to see him so quickly revert back to the immaturity he displayed during his first tenure here.

The bottom line is that we've seen Kyrie, Tristan, and even fucking Dion buy in and play hard on a consistent basis (yes, Dion was the more recent of the trio, but he's been playing well lately and we've largely ceased bitching about him). The fact that LeBron isn't doing the same is an indictment on LeBron and no one else.
 
How is it arguable that LBJ is not a top 10 player? Going way overboard now...
 
Well, I certainly don't think that LeBron magically lost his ability to play high-level basketball over the course of one offseason. Nor do I think he's lost as much athleticism as it can appear at times. The fact is, you just don't fall from the best player in the game to a guy who is arguably not even in the top ten in one offseason without a major injury, which we know has not happened.

Hell, we've seen LeBron play like the best player in the game a handful of times this season. Therefore, I think the problem is a lack of effort on his part, or at least a lack of anything resembling a consistent effort. Given all his bullshit about leadership and wanting to win one for Cleveland/Ohio, it's just been a massive disappointment to see him so quickly revert back to the immaturity he displayed during his first tenure here.

The bottom line is that we've seen Kyrie, Tristan, and even fucking Dion buy in and play hard on a consistent basis (yes, Dion was the more recent of the trio, but he's been playing well lately and we've largely ceased bitching about him). The fact that LeBron isn't doing the same is an indictment on LeBron and no one else.
Well before I blurted it out myself, I wanted to see if someone else saw or sensed what I did.
Then the question is why..why sabotage the new HC?
 
I swear to God some of you on this board never watched any team but the Cavs -- sans playoffs -- the past four years. LBJ took off games all the time during the regular season in Miami. You know who else does? That Spurs team has a worse record than we do right now.

It would really behoove some of you to watch old game film of the Heat during the regular season. The way LBJ is playing this regular season is not new, he's done it the past three years. The main reason it was fine in Miami is that DWade and Chris Bosh were able to pick up slack. In Cleveland, Kyrie has done it a few times but Love has not proven to be able to takeover games. I believe he eventually will but, currently, this is the reason for our problems when LBJ goes into "chill mode."

This team is also playing terrible D, not contesting shots, and missing wide-open 3s. The latter LBJ can't do anything about and it makes Blatt's offense ineffective. To that problem I have no solution.


The difference between this team and the Heat team is that Miami had an identity way before LeBron and Bosh joined the team. Wade knew the system and was a good leader who had previous success before, so it wasn't that hard for them to figured it out even though they had their struggles along the way. With the Cavs, all of the players are new to the system, none of them know the team's true identity yet just like the rest of us. LeBron is saying all the right things, but he's not playing hard enough and guiding the rest of his teammates with his actions on the court. Coach Blatt is new to all this.

He's never had to deal with all the talents and egos that he's dealing with. He can't consistently enforces his system because the players aren't buying into it and i think it's both fair and unfair. It's unfair because they have to at least give him a chance to see how well the system runs. It's also fair because Blatt has no previous experience/success in the NBA and the players don't trust the system simply because they've never seen it work or don't know if it will work and they don't have the patience to wait and find out.
 
LeBron James Can't Finish At The Rim, And It's Sad
Tom Ley

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As you may have noticed, the Cleveland Cavaliers kind of stink right now, and there are many things—Kevin Love playing some of the worst ball of his career, their extremely leaky defense, an old and shallow bench—one can point to while trying to explain why. But one of the more alarming developments in the Cavs' season is the fact that LeBron James hasn't looked all that LeBron James-ish so far, particularly when he's trying to finish at the rim.

This play was probably the highlight of James's Christmas Day performance in a loss against the Miami Heat:


It's a brilliant play, one that's hard to imagine anyone besides LeBron James—who always seems to be playing with a top-down view of the court, precisely aware of every player's position—pulling off successfully. There's also something, I don't know, off about it. The play starts with him blowing easily past his defender, something we've all seen plenty of, and yet it does not end with James plowing straight through the rotating defender's chest, muscling in a layup—or maybe even a dunk!—and then flexing after the foul is called, something else we've all seen plenty of. Instead, it ends with LeBron, just for a brief moment, hanging in the air and looking unsure of what he wants to do before his genius snaps back into place and he sends the pass out to the three-point line.

Again, that was a great play, but that brief, unsure moment means something, I think. So does the fact that so far this season, LeBron is shooting 67 percent on shots at the rim—a full 12 percentage points lower than his mark from last season. According to NBA.com, James is shooting 47 percent on drives to the hoop this season, a drop-off of 16 percentage points from what he put up last year. That's a lot!

According to Synergy Sports, last year's version of LeBron was more or less the most lethal player in the league around the rim. On non-post up shots around the basket, he created 1.50 points per possession. (Out of players who took at least 100 shots around the basket, only Dwight Howard was more productive.) He was also a nightmare when driving to the basket out of Iso situations last season, creating 1.13 points per possession when going to his right, and 1.12 when driving to his left.

This year, all of those numbers are down. He's getting just 1.17 points per possession on non-post up shots around the rim, good for 30th in the league among players who have taken at least 100 such shots. He's still doing OK when driving to his right, creating 1.03 points per possession, but he's been a disaster when going to his left, creating just .75 points per possession on 58 such plays.

These numbers would maybe not be all that alarming for a normal player, but this is LeBron James! This is the guy who has spent his career throwing himself into rotating defenders and scattering their bones all over the court. This is the guy who is supposed to have no regard for human life when driving toward the rim.

It's because LeBron is such a goddamn genius that the Cavs have been able to maintain a top-five offensive rating—he's still creating 10 team points per game on drives, thanks in large part to beautiful kick-out passes like the one in the video above—but it's still deeply strange to watch him go at the rim game after game and be unable to finish. At some point, maybe not even all that deep in the playoffs, the Cavs are going to run into a defense good enough to defend the drive-and-kick, and they are going to need LeBron to be a destroyer again, not some guy who can be turned away from the rim by a rotating small forward.

http://deadspin.com/lebron-cant-finish-at-the-rim-and-its-sad-1676006608
 
I can't hear about it anymore. It just sucks that Miami probably got LeBron's 4 best years of his career.
 
It's also fair because Blatt has no previous experience/success in the NBA and the players don't trust the system simply because they've never seen it work or don't know if it will work and they don't have the patience to wait and find out.

I just don't see what they have to lose by listening to him. The team isn't going anywhere without a coach leading the way anyhow. It's pure hubris getting in the way right now.
 

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