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How is it arguable that LBJ is not a top 10 player? Going way overboard now...

Based solely on his play this year, I think you could at least make the argument. Obviously, we know he's capable of still being the best player in the league, but he's certainly not playing like it a lot of the time this year. He's turning the ball over constantly with awful passes, he's barely putting any effort in on defense, he can't finish at the rim, and his efficiency and rebounding rates are way down.
 
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I can't hear about it anymore. It just sucks that Miami probably got LeBron's 4 best years of his career.

Cavs can still bring the best out of him if they can find someone that can light a fire under LeBron's ass. In Miami, he had Wade and Riley, both of them are straight-shooters. They didn't shied away from telling LeBron what he didn't wanted to hear. They constantly challenged him and brought the best out of him. In Cleveland, LeBron is back in the power position that he wanted in Miami where he'll do what he wants to do when he wants to do it with no one around to tell him his shit stinks.

There's no one around to tell him to stop playing soft because they all fear that he can get some of them fired, traded, or in the case of the owner, he can walk out again after this season. LeBron is a frontrunner. If he's not in complete control, he's going to be happy. As i said, it's really a shame that all the gifted talent is wasted on a guy with zero heart and determination to play at his full potential.
 
Based solely on his play this year, I think you could at least make the argument. Obviously, we know he's capable of still being the best player in the league, but he's certainly not playing like it a lot of the time this year. He's turning the ball over constantly with awful passes, he's barely putting any effort in on defense, he can't finish at the rim, and his efficiency and rebounding rates are way down.

Objectively look at his numbers and come up with 10 better players. You'll struggle to come up with 5.
 
http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2014/12/lebron_james_chill_mode.html


CLEVELAND, Ohio – Press rewind, past the Cavaliers' worst loss of the season on Sunday night, and stop the tape right after their win Friday over the Orlando Magic.
LeBron James had scored 29 points in what looked like a gritty 98-89 road win, 15 in the fourth quarter. He said a brief dust-up with, and trash talk from, Orlando's Tobias Harris is what set him off.
"I was actually in chill mode tonight, but chill mode was deactivated after that," James said.
Chill mode?
James hasn't said precisely what he meant by it – and there were other things to talk about Sunday following a virtually unexplainable 103-80 loss to the Detroit Pistons at home.
But take the sum of the last two games – those first three quarters Friday in Orlando before chill mode was "deactivated" and all of the quarters from Sunday, and what you get is a star player who seems disinterested.
Fair or not, that's a really, really bad thing for first-year Cleveland coach David Blatt.
Following the Cavs' 23-point loss to the Pistons on Sunday, and sensing what's going on, a Detroit reporter essentially gave James a chance to stick up for Blatt or bury him.
The reporter had his reasons, and his question basically was, did James feel losses like this one were a "learning experience" for Blatt – a rookie NBA coach – in addition to this young team?
"Uh, that's not an answer for me, man," James said, turning his glare toward the reporter. "Don't try that."
The season is still young, and at 18-12 the Cavaliers have won too many games and have too much potential to emphatically declare this current group a lost cause. It's also a streaky team -- one that's lost four and won eight straight -- and is prone to overreaction in good times and bad.
But there's something in James' body language, in his indifference in team huddles, in the things he says and doesn't say, that suggests he has not yet warmed to Blatt. And may not.
At minimum, two recent home losses, and James' reaction to them, are either startling or telling.
Detroit came into The Q winners of six games out of 29. It had once lost 13 straight. Things were so bad, the Pistons simply dropped Josh Smith – one of their most talented players – from the roster, because the headaches he caused made the losing even worse.
Three different times in the fourth quarter, that Pistons team led the Cavaliers by 27 points. Boos cascaded from the stands in the third and fourth quarters.
As for James, he registered 17 points, 10 rebounds, and seven assists. Yes, he nearly corralled a triple-double. But he also had seven turnovers. And shot 5-of-19.
The turnovers – Piston defenders were just taking the ball from him while he was dribbling. Or he'd throw a pass that simply had no (or very little) chance of getting through.
On one turnover, the ball bounced off James' leg, across midcourt, for what would be an over-and-back call against the Cavs. There was 8:40 left and Cleveland trailed by 26. James jogged after the ball for a bit, but with no Piston truly close enough to the ball, he watched it roll out of bounds.
It was going to be a turnover either way. And the game was over. James' body language screamed, "why bother?"
Kyrie Irving (bruised knee) didn't play, and of course Anderson Varejao (torn Achilles tendon) is out for the year. But both of those players were in uniform when the Atlanta Hawks bombed the Cavs by 29 at home on Dec. 17.
Blatt said the Atlanta game was embarrassing. James scoffed at the idea. That wasn't even two weeks ago.
Then, as it was last night, the Hawks took (and made) wide open three after wide open three. The Pistons set a franchise record with 17 three-pointers on 31 tries.
How does that happen, twice, within such a short time span, to a team that has James and Kevin Love?
"You know, we're going through a few things right now," Blatt said. "We've lost some pretty important players. ... At that point that you have to be more competitive, and more determined, and fight your way through that or else this happens. It's not an excuse, it's just an explanation for your question. That's the reality of it. We didn't fight enough to battle the difficulties that we've had."
James called himself "very careless" with the ball, and said "we've got to have a little more sense of urgency."
He said "we're not a very good team as far as on the court" and "we're just not very good in every aspect of the game that we need to be to compete every night."
No names, other than "I." But no "urgency" either from James, even though he used the word.
"Don't discredit what they did to us, they beat us pretty good," he added.
Keep in mind, this is James' worst loss to a bad team in his 12-year career, according to ESPN and ELIAS.
 
Objectively look at his numbers and come up with 10 better players. You'll struggle to come up with 5.

The problem is that the NBA isn't just about raw stats. LeBron is putting up pretty stats, for the most part, although not nearly as pretty as years past. However, his lack of energy and effort is both disconcerting and, all too frequently, actually hurting the team.
 
Okay, but for that to work Delly, Love, Miller, etc. need to be hitting open shots. Right now they aren't.

No you aren't getting my point. This team plays so, so much better when there is ball and player movement. Nobody does good when they watch LeBron pound the ball for ten seconds theneceive a snap pass for a semi-open shot.

This team is at it's best when LeBron is a facilitator but not "facilitator" in the sense of LeBron stopping the ball and making those half-assed snap passes to the wing. It works best when everyone on the team is facilitating the offense, and LeBron is integrated into it.

Our best stretch of offense last night when we took an 11 pt lead with LeBron in, then stretched to a 15 pt lead with him out, featured absolutely zero plays where LeBron held the ball at all. Hell he barely touched the ball. And the ball was moving, and we were getting easy shots, and it was beautiful basketball. Keep moving the ball like that and players will hit their shots more often because they will come in the flow of the offense and because it creates easy opportunities at the basket.
 
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Considering you couldn't take the throne from a dwarf and a petulant boy king, I'm hesitant to take your advice seriously :chuckle:

The war isn't over. Never count out a man that hangs out with a fire priestess. Her tits alone are worth 5000 knights.

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http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2014/12/lebron_james_chill_mode.html


CLEVELAND, Ohio – Press rewind, past the Cavaliers' worst loss of the season on Sunday night, and stop the tape right after their win Friday over the Orlando Magic.
LeBron James had scored 29 points in what looked like a gritty 98-89 road win, 15 in the fourth quarter. He said a brief dust-up with, and trash talk from, Orlando's Tobias Harris is what set him off.
"I was actually in chill mode tonight, but chill mode was deactivated after that," James said.
Chill mode?
James hasn't said precisely what he meant by it – and there were other things to talk about Sunday following a virtually unexplainable 103-80 loss to the Detroit Pistons at home.
But take the sum of the last two games – those first three quarters Friday in Orlando before chill mode was "deactivated" and all of the quarters from Sunday, and what you get is a star player who seems disinterested.
Fair or not, that's a really, really bad thing for first-year Cleveland coach David Blatt.
Following the Cavs' 23-point loss to the Pistons on Sunday, and sensing what's going on, a Detroit reporter essentially gave James a chance to stick up for Blatt or bury him.
The reporter had his reasons, and his question basically was, did James feel losses like this one were a "learning experience" for Blatt – a rookie NBA coach – in addition to this young team?
"Uh, that's not an answer for me, man," James said, turning his glare toward the reporter. "Don't try that."
The season is still young, and at 18-12 the Cavaliers have won too many games and have too much potential to emphatically declare this current group a lost cause. It's also a streaky team -- one that's lost four and won eight straight -- and is prone to overreaction in good times and bad.
But there's something in James' body language, in his indifference in team huddles, in the things he says and doesn't say, that suggests he has not yet warmed to Blatt. And may not.
At minimum, two recent home losses, and James' reaction to them, are either startling or telling.
Detroit came into The Q winners of six games out of 29. It had once lost 13 straight. Things were so bad, the Pistons simply dropped Josh Smith – one of their most talented players – from the roster, because the headaches he caused made the losing even worse.
Three different times in the fourth quarter, that Pistons team led the Cavaliers by 27 points. Boos cascaded from the stands in the third and fourth quarters.
As for James, he registered 17 points, 10 rebounds, and seven assists. Yes, he nearly corralled a triple-double. But he also had seven turnovers. And shot 5-of-19.
The turnovers – Piston defenders were just taking the ball from him while he was dribbling. Or he'd throw a pass that simply had no (or very little) chance of getting through.
On one turnover, the ball bounced off James' leg, across midcourt, for what would be an over-and-back call against the Cavs. There was 8:40 left and Cleveland trailed by 26. James jogged after the ball for a bit, but with no Piston truly close enough to the ball, he watched it roll out of bounds.
It was going to be a turnover either way. And the game was over. James' body language screamed, "why bother?"
Kyrie Irving (bruised knee) didn't play, and of course Anderson Varejao (torn Achilles tendon) is out for the year. But both of those players were in uniform when the Atlanta Hawks bombed the Cavs by 29 at home on Dec. 17.
Blatt said the Atlanta game was embarrassing. James scoffed at the idea. That wasn't even two weeks ago.
Then, as it was last night, the Hawks took (and made) wide open three after wide open three. The Pistons set a franchise record with 17 three-pointers on 31 tries.
How does that happen, twice, within such a short time span, to a team that has James and Kevin Love?
"You know, we're going through a few things right now," Blatt said. "We've lost some pretty important players. ... At that point that you have to be more competitive, and more determined, and fight your way through that or else this happens. It's not an excuse, it's just an explanation for your question. That's the reality of it. We didn't fight enough to battle the difficulties that we've had."
James called himself "very careless" with the ball, and said "we've got to have a little more sense of urgency."
He said "we're not a very good team as far as on the court" and "we're just not very good in every aspect of the game that we need to be to compete every night."
No names, other than "I." But no "urgency" either from James, even though he used the word.
"Don't discredit what they did to us, they beat us pretty good," he added.
Keep in mind, this is James' worst loss to a bad team in his 12-year career, according to ESPN and ELIAS.

What's next? Shooting left handed free throws? :)
 
Lebron definately seems to be missing something this year. Careless turnovers are up and as confirmed by numbers he isn't finishing or even making layups near the hoop.

The other thing I'd like to see occasionally is when moment starts to shift against us, he take the ball and head to the hoop. Part of our problem this year seems to be that when things start going against us our answer is to chuck up a 3 pointer. To be honest, Kyrie has been the most consistent at taking the ball to the hoop and/or pulling up and shooting a high percentage jumper.
 
Here is a replay of the Heat/Cavs game: link

At 61:38, Lebron goes out of the game.

The Cavs begin playing much better offensively and defensively. They start closing on the Heat.

At 63:30, Mark Jackson (!) says, "I wonder if like Kobe they say, the Cavs are better without Lebron."
 
Isn't it funny how coming into this season LeBron was supposedly a top-notch professional, the best leader and grown up and Kyrie was supposed to be the drama, whiny guy? It's actually been the opposite... Kyrie has been playing hard, playing defense, saying the right things and then LeBron has been "chillin", not playing defense, not buying in and just causing drama. This is just some weird stuff going on.
 
Lebron does not want Blatt as HC. He wants Lue imo. Even though, this won't be popular, I still think Gilbert was surprised Lebron wanted to come back when he flew down to South Beach. We hired Blatt for Kyrie especially and the entire young corp of Irving/Waiters/Wiggins/Bennett. We had to act fast before Lebron's FA and Gilbert could not wait anymore or risk losing him. So when Lebron and Gilbert "chatted" for 6 or so hours, let bygones be bygones and Lebron said he was coming back...........the coaching decision ended up a mess. Gilbert was stuck with Blatt and Lebron pushed Lue to sign with the Cavs with a wink and nod he would be coach before the season is out despite not getting the job in June.

Thus we come to the situation we are at
 
Cracks me up that he wants everyone to continue thinking that he's the coolest dude around. HA.
 

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