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Griffin was too tainted by Grant to have been a viable candidate for GM.

I would have thought Gilbert would have learned after promoting Grant after firing Ferry that taking their underling and giving them the job is just a promotion of the status quo.

Griffin shares Chris Grant's philosophy that size/length/athleticism aren't important, and his roster moves reflect that.

Griffin philosophically doesn't believe in a dominant center. He was exposed to that in Phoenix and then was mated with Chris Grant who was the king of avoiding bigs like the plague.

Griffin learned all the wrong lessons from Grant and is now repeating them again.

Firing Grant was the opportunity Dan needed to clear the building out of any remnants of the Ferry/Grant regime, and instead he chose to double down on the same backwards philosophy that size and athleticism have no place in the modern NBA game.

The outright refusal for 4 years now to even attempt to put a legitimate NBA center on this roster is heinous and unconscionable.
 
Birdy89 said:
Griffin was too tainted by Grant to have been a viable candidate for GM.

I would have thought Gilbert would have learned after promoting Grant after firing Ferry that taking their underling and giving them the job is just a promotion of the status quo.

Griffin shares Chris Grant's philosophy that size/length/athleticism aren't important, and his roster moves reflect that.

Griffin philosophically doesn't believe in a dominant center. He was exposed to that in Phoenix and then was mated with Chris Grant who was the king of avoiding bigs like the plague.

Griffin learned all the wrong lessons from Grant and is now repeating them again.

Firing Grant was the opportunity Dan needed to clear the building out of any remnants of the Ferry/Grant regime, and instead he chose to double down on the same backwards philosophy that size and athleticism have no place in the modern NBA game.

The outright refusal for 4 years now to even attempt to put a legitimate NBA center on this roster is heinous and unconscionable.
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Every offensive rebound ripped out of the air by Drummond is like an arrow to the heart, every contest at the rim, every blocked shot and shot altering with length by Val, Noel, and whoever the fuck else a kick to the balls.
 
Birdy89 said:
Griffin was too tainted by Grant to have been a viable candidate for GM.

I would have thought Gilbert would have learned after promoting Grant after firing Ferry that taking their underling and giving them the job is just a promotion of the status quo.

Griffin shares Chris Grant's philosophy that size/length/athleticism aren't important, and his roster moves reflect that.

Griffin philosophically doesn't believe in a dominant center. He was exposed to that in Phoenix and then was mated with Chris Grant who was the king of avoiding bigs like the plague.

Griffin learned all the wrong lessons from Grant and is now repeating them again.

Firing Grant was the opportunity Dan needed to clear the building out of any remnants of the Ferry/Grant regime, and instead he chose to double down on the same backwards philosophy that size and athleticism have no place in the modern NBA game.

The outright refusal for 4 years now to even attempt to put a legitimate NBA center on this roster is heinous and unconscionable.
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Griffin has had one summer to build the team. Most of that was done through LeBrons rolodex and making the Love trade. After acquiring Love and LeBron, there wasn't much else out there that could be done beyond some cheap vets.

I am not comfortable grading Griffin poorly until we see what he does with the trade assets this year and then the offseason where we have the Taxpayer MLE, the Haywood deal to work with, a draft pick, etc.

The first year in Miami was flawed and lacked depth as well. You can not add put a trio like Kyrie, LeBron, and Love together in the same summer and think that you'll be able to build great depth behind that in year one.

If healthy, we still have a shot to compete for the East crown this year. Then over the summer we add significant pieces and quality athletic depth.
 
priceFTW said:
Every offensive rebound ripped out of the air by Drummond is like an arrow to the heart, every contest at the rim, every blocked shot and shot altering with length by Val, Noel, and whoever the fuck else a kick to the balls.
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It's likely that almost any possible pick we made not named Kyrie during that era would have been dealt due to pressure from Gilbert. Dion and Tristan weren't dealt because there was not a team that wanted them badly enough to move significant talent our way.

So even had we drafted Drummond or Valenciunas, we have no way of knowing if they would have even remained here.

In other words, it continues to be a wall not worth knocking our heads against.
 
Blatt's confidence is gone just watching this presser. I love Blatt but this conference looks bad for his future.
 
supermario21 said:
Griffin traded our only 7 footer as well in Zeller...gave him away!
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He was traded as a necessary part of the trade that created the ability to sign LeBron.

But week after week we have to hear that he was "given away" as if after we had LeBron and Love we just passed him off to another team for some quick cash.

and Tyler freaking Zeller at that. We have no idea how he would even be doing on this team offensively or defensively. It's pure speculation that serves zero purpose.
 
supermario21 said:
Griffin traded our only 7 footer as well in Zeller...gave him away!
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Yup.

It's a world view he shared with Chris Grant that size is not important.

The 2 easiest positions in the NBA to fill are the low skill energy big and the undersized inefficient combo guard with a low BB-IQ.

The league is over-run with those guys.

We used a pair of #4 picks for the easiest kind of players to find instead of drafting centers.

There was no value in either of those picks just from a shear scarcity standpoint as it was always going to be harder to find a Val/Drummond/legit center than a Dion/TT type.

The fact that Griffin was involved in that type of backwards thinking and wasting of scarce resources should have disqualified him outright for this job.

Center should have been a top priority the second you knew you were bringing in Love. The entire world knows he is so soft he makes Charmin look like 24 grit sandpaper. That was a "known known" and it was just completely ignored.

Now we find ourselves in a position where the league knows we're desperate, which raises the price.

Waiting until the off-season is great, but I continue to be baffled by this idea that teams will be lining up to give us a productive center worth having in exchange for Haywood's contract.

Every other team in the league realizes how vital it is to have a solid center, so if they are looking to save money it will be on another position that can be more easily replaced.

If we needed to clear cap room, it should have been Dion or TT to go instead of Zeller as finding a center to even match his production was going to be impossible.

It will make the Dion supporters butt hurt, but he is Rodney Stuckey with a bad attitude and nothing more. At this point it's actually arguable as to whether he is a poor man's Stuckey.

Griffin though once again has a distorted world view that doesn't find value in size, so he doesn't think the way a normal person would about how you go about replacing a young 7 footer with something comparable given the resources you have to work with.

The same mistakes keep being made and their is no accountability. Firing people in this organization is nothing more than a reward for their underlings the way Gilbert runs the place.

The team's biggest problem is David Griffin, and he needs to be shown the door.

The same band who failed to see Grant for what he was will no doubt call for more time, but Griffin is what he is and just like with Grant all time is going to do is be wasted so the few holdouts can realize 2 years from now what most of us already know tonight.
 
Guys, we need the Nuggets to keep losing.

An Afflalo/Mozgov trade fills all our holes. It gives you a solid 3&D wing player that can score in bunches, along with your defensive center to anchor the defense and protect the rim.

You tell me what you gotta do to make that happen, but that's the trade we should be shooting for. If you're able to push Marion, Miller, and Tristan all to bench roles, the bench scoring won't suffer from the loss of Dion. Use that disabled exception to sign someone like Emeka or RayRay and give them more money than anyone else can... It seems so damn simple, but it takes 2 to tango. How do I convince Denver to make this trade happen?
 
I'm not really sure because they'd be giving up the two best players in the deal and we have one draft pick of value to offer. I don't think its plausible to get both of those guys.
 
Can you spot the how many of our players are in the wrong place ?

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Blatt can't believe it either.

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Click below for the full play if you are a masochist, or for the full Blatt reaction.
http://on.nba.com/1x6PUPK
 
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