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That's pretty much how it is.

And I agree fully with Mo actually being Delly's back up. Thought I doubt he himself sees it that way or can admit it. Bottom line is Delly's 100% full throttle play and hard work on defense is more valuable than Mo's offensive output + being a black hole on D. He already proved himself in the playoffs and Mo is just too old to match that value.

But then again its just as you say, we need absolutely need those 5 guys healthy and playing well, we can afford to lose a couple of the others but without them its just not happening.

Its just too bad 2 out of 5 of those players are made of glass. Even worse for Kyrie is his playing style is so risky, I worry that he's gonna be another Derrick Rose.

And then there's the Mozgov situation... if he has a lingering injury then playing him this early in the season is not good, but without him we're gonna be climbing a damn mountain every game and someone else might get hurt from the extra strain...

Its stressful to be in this situation where we are a potential monster of a team but have to constantly worry about injuries more than most other teams. Plus "that other team" that will be waiting for us in the finals is ridiculously good right now.

Some people thought we'd have won with Mo there last year. I don't think that at all. We'd probably gotten swept.

As for Kyrie, luckily he can adapt his game unlike Rose. He doesn't have to make his living playing wreckless, sometimes it's just what he decides to do.

Rose is one dimensional, if he can't play one way, he's basically useless. Kyrie is more versatile, it's why I always liked him better than Rose, even when Rose was Rose. I said Kyrie would be the better of the two long-term, because he can adapt and still be great.

He easily has a great mid range game, he was developing a post game. I could see him having a similar post game ala Payton, not saying it will be that good.

But Kyrie's game ages very well, he needs to take a page out of Wade's book (not health wise), but how he started to play later in his career.

Develop more of a floater for his dribble penetration.
 
As for Kyrie, luckily he can adapt his game unlike Rose. He doesn't have to make his living playing wreckless, sometimes it's just what he decides to do.

Hmm yes that's a great point actually. So I guess its really up to him to make that happen.
 
I was surprised to read Blatt's comments relative to Mozgov's health and how it's effecting his production, as they seem to contradict themselves in logic.

It's no secret Mozgov did not heal 100% before seasons start from his surgical knee procedure in the offseason.

Instead of playing him through it in order to get there as Blatt alluded, wouldn't it make more sense to play him less, much less in fact, in order for he to heal properly and get back to 100%?

Now I'm not proposing to shut Mozgov down completely, he's obviously healthy enough to be on the floor for at least minimum minutes. What I'm proposing is to flip flop he and Andy's minutes, for a few reasons.

First off, the goal should be ultimately to get Mozgov 100%, both physically and mentally. Since Mozgov can't play 100% to his potential currently due to his health, I'm concerned of the mental residual effects potentially to his confidence as his overall production struggles to catch up with his increased health.

I suggest to still let him play minimum minutes to continue his in game conditioning, but vastly minimize the pounding he takes in the paint playing 20+ minutes. Get him completely healthy for the stretch run.

In playing Andy, you still have a viable center who will actually provide the team more offensively with an increased role than Mozgov, as he and James have mastered the pick and roll together.

What this move will cause as a lost probable negative is a lack of rim protection Mozgov provides, but it's not like Andy doesn't provide defensive production. He may not protect the rim like Mozgov, but he does hustle, dive for loose balls, and take charges better than anyone else on the team...besides maybe Delly.

I think for the team's long term well being, swapping these two's minutes may in deed be the best solution to further solidify Andy's role/niche on this team, and most importantly, get Mozgov 100% healthy.

This Cavs team is so versatile, it can go a 10 to 15, even up to a 20 game stretch if need be, and play more of a fast paced, small ball lineup, minus significant minute production from Moz during the same stretch.

This also will/would give James Jones more minutes I would believe at the stretch 4, as this small ball type of play is conducive to his skill set.

Lastly. and I've mentioned this before on here, a collateral move I'd make once Shump and Irving our back and the deadline to roster our 15th roster spot arrives for all non guaranteed deals (Cunningham)......I'd sign in addition and in a heartbeat bought out, free agent Larry Sanders for the 2nd half of the year. In fact, praying these wheels are churning behind the scenes as we speak!

Head case or not, the Cavs only have one true rim protector in Mozgov, and there's no guarantee he'll return to 100% this season. To be able to add an all star caliber talent in Sanders is already difficult enough for one thing, as only two teams currently sit in a position cap wise to offer Sanders anything bigger than league minimum (Philly and Portland).

But to be able to do so also as adding that type of talent strictly as a specialist/specific niche role in limited minutes.... well IMO it's just is too hard to ignore it's opportunity.

Sanders can come in and simply concentrate on protecting the rim when the Cavs play larger front court teams, and he won't be in a position to demand large minutes or a large role for any team, let alone a contending one.

Lebron could keep him on the straight and narrow and with little risk to the Cavs roster moving forward. If he's not a fit, he's the 15th guy off the bench who loves on next season a la Kendrick Perkins. If he's a hit, well them you just light have hit a grand slam using this type of opportunity at such a low risk in adding a player such as him.

The icing on the cake also relative to the Cavs roster flexibility is neither of the Cavs trade exceptions need touched to add Sanders, and if he decided he wanted to remain a Cav, they could sign him to the mid level each offseason until they own his bird rights. What's significant about this it's not only feasible, it's realistic.

Sanders already woke up one day and said no thanks to 30 million, I'm good... Money is obviously not the most important thing to this cat, what's comfortable to him is. If the Cavs treat him right with a return to the NBA, Sanders seems the type who would be loyal to the organization who have him a second shot. Especially an organization he knows pays it's star players, and will do he once they acquire his bird rights. Not only will he still be collecting between 2-3 million per season from the Bucks as part of his buyout, the mid level will be nothing to sneeze at as the cap is predicting to explode almost double In size by 2017. Today's 5-6 million mid level exception will incrementally become a 10-11 million dollar per year player! Add that to hi yearly buyout return, and now all of a sudden this becomes a plausible, realistic scenario from a financial perspective, as well as a personnel for the Cavs and Sanders. If I'm Lebron I'm starting the dialogue today with Sanders to get the wheels in motion.

As far as fit, this potential versatility and it's risk/reward potential can be referenced by looks no further than the the Warriors last postseason. They were so deep and so versatile that they could actually afford to sit Andre Bogut most of the finals against the Cavs, with their version of small ball. But they also had his 8 figure salary option to bring off the bench at any time.

The Cavs would arguably have a better, similar option this post season if this came to fruition, at league minimum cost and the option to move on elsewhere if deemed not a fit in the offseason. All without using or compromising any current or future assets to potentially further add to the roster.

To me it's a no brainer.

This sounds nice, but Larry Sanders walked away from basketball and got that buyout from the Bucks because he didn't want to do all the things that would be required of him to keep collecting his paycheck: comply with a mental health treatment plan, stop smoking marijuana, and just in general be a part of the team.
He checked himself out of his treatment before he was scheduled to and flew to the Caribbean. This was after the Bucks bent over backwards in allowing him to go seek treatment independent of the team after Sanders refused all of the mental health referrals they gave him.
Larry Sanders' situation with anxiety and depression is very intense and he's struggled, like so many do, with doing all of the hard work it would take to get himself the help that he himself says he needs. I don't think he's even remotely close to being an NBA player anytime soon.
 
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This sounds nice, but Larry Sanders walked away from basketball and got that buyout from the Bucks because he didn't want to do all the things that would be required of him to keep collecting his paycheck: comply with a mental health treatment plan, stop smoking marijuana, and just in general be a part of the team.
He checked himself out of his treatment before he was scheduled to and flew to the Caribbean. This was after the Bucks bent over backwards in allowing him to go seek treatment independent of the team after Sanders refused all of the mental health referrals they gave him.
Larry Sanders' situation with anxiety and depression is very intense and he's struggled, like so many do, with doing all of the hard work it would take to get himself the help that he himself says he needs. I don't think he's even remotely close to being an NBA player anytime soon.
I actually agree with your logic, but the premise of my post stemmed from very recent chatter Sanders may be very close to returning to the NBA and attempt a comeback.

Sanders issues are well documented, as is all the recent chatter relative to a possible comeback. Sanders is your classic risk/reward assessment when making a decision of his fit on your roster.

Of course in a perfect world you would prefer an addition of Sanders to not have his checkered past, and uncertain future. The bottom line to this though is these very same things people bring up as red flags on Sanders are the exact reason, THE ONLY reason and way a player of his caliber can be acquired so cheaply and without risk.

A Sanders without baggage is an unattainable player for the Cavs. It would be one thing if acquiring him and banking on him as a major piece and salary cap hold from the very beginning... It not only would be a ridiculous risk, it would be impossible and unrealistic for the Cavs to even consider such a decision.

It all comes back to the risk/reward. The risk? He simply becomes a Kendrick Perkins rental who rarely sees the floor and moves on elsewhere, all at a minimum league deal cost. The reward could reap on several different levels. All worth the minimum risk in trying to attain any of them.
 
My view on the starting PG is that given the quaLity of the other four starters, Delly is a much better proposition than MO...with Bron, Love and JR on court, we do not need more scoring...we need a PG that can get the ball to those three guys consistently and be able to offer a modicum of defense...two things that MO simply can not do...start Delly, get off to a high energy start and then bring Mo in with the second team and see how many teams can defend Mo with second team players.

Of course, that may mean that TT is going to be less effective, given he and Delly are an awesome combination...but so be it...give it a try for a couple of games...Pelicans are going to shit at the moment, perfect time to try
 
Really irritated at Love tonight. We don't have the luxury to have him lose faith in his outside game. He needs to shoot through it.

If you don't have faith, fight for inside position. Ball got swinged around to him on multiple occasions with good open looks that he passed up. The one in OT was particularly egregious .

You're the other scorer right now Kev, Bron can't do it all, and you can't be a facilitator with the rest of these guys on the floor. An open look on a Love 3 is always more valuable than getting it in to Thompson in position. Only an alley oop to him has the expected value of an open Love look. Passes inside to TT and Moz have less value than an open 3, even on an off night. They can't convert them at a high enough rate unless they are dunks.

You can tell they came out with a conscious effort to move the ball, and it was moving fairly well early, but Kevin and Mo both started passing up open 3's to step in and take 20ft twos. That's unforgiveable and never efficient.

You're a space and shooting team at the moment. Buy in and stay confident. He reminded me of Bosh tonight. Bosh would get lost for a half where he'd move outside to give Lebron room and then just disappear into the night. It's probably not an easy adjustment, but you have to stay active in some way. Demand the ball low, really crash the offensive boards. Don't just hang on the perimeter waiting on passes you don't want to shoot because you're not feeling it.
 
Mo, Jefferson, and JJ are averaging 62+ minutes per game. These are 62 minutes played by players who should not be in a championship team's regular rotation because they probably cannot even guard me.

At season's end last year, LeBron, Love, Kyrie, Moz, Shump, TT, JR, and Delly were all plus players (Delly the last 35 games was nearly a +1.5 player). Very few teams can say that their top 8 players are PLUS players, but we could last year. These were the players that played regular rotation minutes for the team last year.

This year, only LeBron, Love, Delly, and TT have been plus players. Mo (-1.04), Jefferson (-2.81), and JJ (-2.06), players who play 62+ minutes per game, are a combined -6.
IF you replace at least 55 minutes of these players with 55 minutes of Kyrie and Shump (+5.5), you will see a) more leads in the first quarter b) leads grow in the second quarter. Getting Kyrie and Shump back allows us to put the Delly/Shump/LBJ/TT/Moz defensive lineup in the second quarter, the lineup that was the best defensive lineup in the NBA last year and the one that extended leads in just about every game.

Look at what happened tonight: It was 63-61 in the third when Delly went out and when Mo came in, NO goes on a big ass run in which it scores at will. Once Kyrie comes back, Mo should be relegated to spot minutes as should Jefferson and JJ.

This team was built to be top heavy and this the injuries have forced us to play horrible defenders who are NET negatives on court.
 
Really irritated at Love tonight. We don't have the luxury to have him lose faith in his outside game. He needs to shoot through it.

If you don't have faith, fight for inside position. Ball got swinged around to him on multiple occasions with good open looks that he passed up. The one in OT was particularly egregious .

You're the other scorer right now Kev, Bron can't do it all, and you can't be a facilitator with the rest of these guys on the floor. An open look on a Love 3 is always more valuable than getting it in to Thompson in position. Only an alley oop to him has the expected value of an open Love look. Passes inside to TT and Moz have less value than an open 3, even on an off night. They can't convert them at a high enough rate unless they are dunks.

You can tell they came out with a conscious effort to move the ball, and it was moving fairly well early, but Kevin and Mo both started passing up open 3's to step in and take 20ft twos. That's unforgiveable and never efficient.

You're a space and shooting team at the moment. Buy in and stay confident. He reminded me of Bosh tonight. Bosh would get lost for a half where he'd move outside to give Lebron room and then just disappear into the night. It's probably not an easy adjustment, but you have to stay active in some way. Demand the ball low, really crash the offensive boards. Don't just hang on the perimeter waiting on passes you don't want to shoot because you're not feeling it.
This is why I don't feel we would have won the Finals if we had Love but not Kyrie.
 
I really gotta give a shout out to Mo for one of the worst fouls I've seen all season. Holiday picks up his dribble above the free throw line, no where to go, and just tries to force up some junk ass jumper and Mo decides to rake him across the arms. That was good.

I have to think we're the only good team in the league with so many BLATANTLY one way players. Like who else has players than range all the way from Thompson to James Jones and Mo Williams?

And the thing is, James JOnes isn't really that good on offense, and Thompson isn't really that good on defense. But they are total zeroes on the respective opposite ends.
 
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I'm gonna take a break from watching this team for a while...at least a week. I mean our games aren't even fun right now - just frustrating. And we've progressively been playing worse and worse as the season goes on. A few posters and I alluded to our terrible play early in the season, despite being 8-1 at one point, yet a ton of posters simply pointed to the record, and now our bad play is catching up to us as we've dropped 3 of the last 5. And we weren't exactly beaten by great teams either...

We have trouble maintaining leads. Our bench is shoddy (yes, the injuries don't help this). Guys like Love and JR are maddeningly inconsistent. No one can score down the stretch except for LeBron, which makes our offense predictable. And the effort level comes and goes, especially on the defensive end.

Yes, I know, the injuries suck, but I thought we were supposed to be a historically good team? Or at least that's what everybody said before the season. We still have the talent to blow out teams like the Wizards and the Pelicans, yet we play down to our competition and let them take control. We're not playing championship-level basketball right now, and I think we're going to have to make another midseason trade or two to resolve the issues. Because even when Kyrie and Shumpert return, we still have way too many one-dimensional players on this roster. Guys like Mo and JR contribute nothing when their shots aren't falling. Tristan is only good against certain teams (like the Hawks) for some reason. James Jones and Richard Jefferson are beyond liabilities when they can't hit from the outside. Finally, Mozgov has just been all-around horrible this season to be quite frank.

What a disappointing start so far - and again, no I don't mean the record.
 
We are very beatable at the moment. Luckily it is a long season and we've got ways to go.. but still.. FUCK losing to these shit teams
 
I have to remember we started 21-19 last year

13-5 really ain't that bad
 
I have to remember we started 21-19 last year

13-5 really ain't that bad
13-6 and we've relinquished our hold on the EC standings...from #1 to #3.

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