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The Bulls Dumped One Of Their Best Players And It Turned Out To Be A Genius Move


In early January, the Bulls were 14-18 and they traded Luol Deng to the Cleveland Cavaliers for future draft picks and Andrew Bynum, whom they would turn around and release.

On the surface, the move looked like a classic sign that the Bulls were going to tank the rest of the season while also saving nearly $15 million in salary and luxury tax fees.

But then something strange happened. The Bulls suddenly became one of the best teams in the NBA and now have to be considered a contender in what originally appeared to be a two-team race in the Eastern Conference between the Pacers and Heat.

Since trading Deng, a player who was averaging 19.0 points and 6.9 rebounds per game with Chicago, the Bulls are 19-9. The Pacers and Heat are both 20-8 over the same span.

The Bulls were able to overcome the loss of Deng the old fashioned way. They had their top players pick up the slack.

Prior to the trade, Joakim Noah was averaging 10.9 points, 3.5 assists, and 10.1 rebounds per game. Since then, he is averaging 13.3 points, 6.0 assists, and 12.9 rebounds per game.
In fact, if we look at the key stats for five of the Bulls' top players, we can see they have gone up in almost every case (see right, click image for larger version).

On top of that, there is still an outside chance that Derrick Rose could return at some point. While that may be a long-shot, it will be tempting if he is healthy and the Bulls move deep into the playoffs.

But even without Rose, the Bulls are now a contender thanks to trading Deng and an Eastern Conference Finals showdown between the Pacers and Heat is no longer a sure thing
 
Deng's numbers in 23 games with the Bulls this season: 19.0 points, 6.9 rebounds, 3.7 assists, .452 shooting

Deng's numbers in 26 games with the Cavs this season: 14.4 points, 5.1 rebounds, 2.2 assists, .401 shooting

Now, do you blame this on Deng simply declining to an extreme degree in less than two months, the effect the inept Cavs organization has had on him, the effects of his Achilles injury, or a combination of the three? Keep in mind, he was dealing with the Achilles injury while still a Bull.

Something tells me this isn't the real Luol Deng. The real Deng is the player he was for the first half of the season as a Bull and the player he's been for the better part of ten seasons. Granted his play falls off when he's injured (whose doesn't?), as evidenced by his numbers when he was playing through torn tendons in his wrist and the Achillies injury he's playing through now.

Honestly, I see Deng leaving the Cavs in the off season, most likely mutually on both sides, and either returning to the Bulls or signing with a contender and his numbers to improve tremendously. On top of the injury, I'm sure he's experienced pretty intense culture shock after spending nearly 10 years in a winning organization like the Bulls only to be shipped to Cleveland who is going through a rebuilding period. I mean, you can point to Chicago's incompetence in the way they handle player injuries, but the on court results and locker room atmosphere are among the best in the league. The fact that Chicago was able improve despite the loss of Rose then Deng shows they have a winning culture while Cleveland has been unable to improve upon the addition of Deng.
 
When we first got him he was still playing well, and had some explosiveness. Heading into the all star break he was bringing up he needed rest, and his achilles was bothering him. He was hoping it would heal over the break. It doesn't look like it did, as he has no lift. He needs to shut it down more than likely, but with the play off push he's giving it all he's got.
 
His offense was been awful. But the game is more then one side of the court. I think he's been playing pretty well for is on D. I think his offense is awful right now because of his injury. Sadly The only reason I want to sign him is because that insures gee doesn't start.
 
Watch his left leg when he lands. I've noticed he's been gimpy. Sometimes he picks it up. wonder if he makes it to the end of the season? Could be back in the Alonzo Gee starting situation soon.
 
Seeing him out there playing injured reminds me when we had Jimmy Jackson on our roster. Jimmy's knee's and lower body were bothering him so badly that he couldn't get any lift on his jumpshot. Injuries can effect your game in so many different kinds of way that is can mess you all the hell up.

I'll give Lu all the credit in the world of being a hard nosed dude but to do himself a favor, he should probably shut it down for a little bit. I also think we have zero chance in resigning the man for various reasons ...BUT...money as they say talks.
 
I also think Deng has struggled with the move to Cleveland. Being in Chicago his whole career and then a sudden move.

I still remember saying his mom had no idea what it meant to be traded. It probably just came as a shock to him.

He had a perfect system in Chicago, he knew the organization, he knew his teammates, etc.

So that is part of it, imo.
 
The fact that Chicago was able improve despite the loss of Rose then Deng shows they have a winning culture while Cleveland has been unable to improve upon the addition of Deng.

Cavs' record before the Deng Trade: 11-23 (.324 winning %)
Cavs' record since Deng Trade: 13-15 (.464 winning %)
:dunno:



Moral of the story: Even a broken down, 75% healthy Luol Deng improves the Cavs to a near .500 team... This is both an indictment of our other options at SF and a testament to the power of having a legit NBA player at each starting position. Its important to note that during the 11-23 stretch, we had little in the way of injuries, while the 13-15 stretch has coincided with injuries to 2 starters and our 6th man.
 
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Cavs' record before the Deng Trade: 11-23 (.324 winning %)
Cavs' record since Deng Trade: 13-15 (.464 winning %)
:dunno:


Moral of the story: Even a broken down, 75% healthy Luol Deng improves the Cavs to a near .500 team... This is both an indictment of our other options at SF and a testament to the power of having a legit NBA player at each starting position. Its important to note that during the 11-23 stretch, we had little in the way of injuries, while the 13-15 stretch has coincided with injuries to 2 starters and our 6th man.


Throwing in realistic expectations like incremental improvement along with some personal regression due to change, different system, nagging injuries, etc. is just not how it should be done.

Cavs have not won 60% of our games since adding Luol, so therefore, Luol trade equals failure ;)
 
State of the Bulls vs the Cavs is night and day. Winning culture vs a losing one. Thibs vs Brown. Players who actually play with intent and purpose game after game vs the Cavs mess. Cleveland must seem like the depths of Dantes' Inferno to Deng.
 
State of the Bulls vs the Cavs is night and day. Winning culture vs a losing one. Thibs vs Brown. Players who actually play with intent and purpose game after game vs the Cavs mess. Cleveland must seem like the depths of Dantes' Inferno to Deng.

And how long did it take for them to do that? How many high draft picks? How many coaches?

The Cavs are actually farther along than the Bulls were when they had to rebuild from scratch.
 
Its Mike Brown...
Deng with the Cavs:
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With the Bulls:
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The way he plays on offense hasn't changed all that much, he's just not hitting shots
 
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