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Malaysia Flight 370 missing

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There still stuff from the tsunami in Japan that is washing up on shores around the world. Just a little bit ago a refrigerator was found floating in a bay on the west coast. So yeah, it could.

What I was alluding to is that I just don't believe the pictures that Chardon posted are real. Probably found them on Reddit along with all the other bullshit that is spewed over there. If they had these images, the governments would certainly release them to ease some of the minds of many people to help them confirm the wreckage.
 
Where were they going? Why were they flying into the middle of the ocean? I mean, instrument failure couldn't possibly cause you to get turned around like that, a compass could tell you that you are flying southwest and into nothing but death, turn around.

I suppose we'll get some story, but without the flight recorder and some pieces of wreckage, we don't really know anything.
 
What I was alluding to is that I just don't believe the pictures that Chardon posted are real. Probably found them on Reddit along with all the other bullshit that is spewed over there. If they had these images, the governments would certainly release them to ease some of the minds of many people to help them confirm the wreckage.

http://www.txttoad.com/MalaysianAirlines370.htm
 
Where were they going? Why were they flying into the middle of the ocean? I mean, instrument failure couldn't possibly cause you to get turned around like that, a compass could tell you that you are flying southwest and into nothing but death, turn around.

I suppose we'll get some story, but without the flight recorder and some pieces of wreckage, we don't really know anything.

Yea I don't believe trained pilots would allow the plane to do that for hours. The "ghost ship" theory seems most plausible given the lack of communication and the path they are saying the plane took. Like you said, the wreckage will give us answers, if they ever find it. Until then, it's all guessing.
 
From the guy who flies the 787's. Apparently there's a pilot that's been sending him and other pilots a newsletter for a few years and he's been including updates on this story in the letter. Info is below. He sent that as a response to my question as to why the plane would have ended up where it did and he said "Autopilot probably shorted out and airplane was ghost flying." The rest of the info is below.

This is not to leave the board please.







More from my former coworker:

Since my last email on MH370, (copied below for those that just joined the ranks), there have been a few developments.

- A Fact Finding Report is usually made public a couple of weeks after an aircraft accident takes place, detailing what has been found to date. In the case of Malaysia 370, I am not sure we will see one, as the Malaysian authorities may not turn over the investigation to those that have the technical competency to do it, like the American NTSB.

- This investigation has been lead by people with backgrounds in "Security" and not in "Aviation Safety" areas. Consequently this accident turned into a criminal investigation, because that's what they do. And as good as they may be in their fields, they have shown they know nothing about the reality of the aviation world. These pilots have been made guilty from the beginning and never had a chance to be innocent. Now, after weeks of investigating the pilots background and not having found a hint of malicious intent it's time to back off this path and use knowledge and experience to foresee the most likely scenario. This investigation is going in the wrong direction and it's running out of time and money.

- The media continues to report that the ACARS and Transponder were turned off (please see # 2 on the email below). I can accept this as the result of their lack of knowledge in these technical matters, but what I can't understand is that the pilots seating in these panels of experts do not correct this. And by the way, this is an aircraft accident and I have not heard yet, commentary from an aircraft accident investigator. We all have driver's licenses but this does not make us experts in car accident investigation.

- Unlike ACARS and Transponders, cell phones do "sign off" when they are shut down by sending a signal to the antenna indicating it has been turned off. Any callers to that number will know the phone is "off". On the other hand, if a phone is not shut down before a flight takes off, it will lose contact with the antenna and it will remain in "search" mode. A call placed to that number will indicate a ringing tone. This explains why the phones of some passengers of MH370 are still "ringing", they were simply not turned off before flight.

- Lately we have learned that there was a shipment of batteries on board MH370. - First, let's keep in mind that the early indications of something not normal with this flight was the ACARS and Transponder becoming disabled and Air Traffic Control failing to receive any voice communication from the pilots. - If these batteries were loaded in one of the cargo bays and had caught on fire, there would have been a Cargo Fire Warning before the aircraft suffered any equipment failures. Even if the batteries had been loaded in the most forward section of the forward cargo bay, the fire would have to burn through the forward cargo bulkhead and 5 to 6 feet of equipment in the Electronics Compartment until reaching panel P205 (at the bottom of the MEC) where all the Warning Electronic Units are located, before the Cargo Fire Warning would become disabled. For these reasons, It is extremely unlikely these batteries would have been the primary fire (cause).

- (Regarding # 4 and 5 below) - The aircraft makes a turn back towards landfall and drops to 12000 feet, climbs to 45000 feet, descends to 23000 feet and climbs to 29500 feet and descends to 5000 feet. There has been no mention of the time frame or rate of change of these events. This would determine if it was a controlled gradual change or a steep, out of control maneuver, and that would help understand the circumstances. These extreme altitude variances could be caused by pilot incapacitation or by Electronics Compartment fire damage to pitch control, (damage to the Primary Electrical System, cables of the Backup Stabilizer control system, and Backup Generators). Please refer to 1.18.2 page 68 of the B777 fire accident report enclosed on #6 below for more info on this matter.

- If this "altitude variances" report is correct and the report of "continued flight" for several hours is also correct, then the aircraft had to regain at least a heading and altitude hold modes. This means the altitude changes were likely caused by loss of visibility in the flight deck, and pitch control was re-engaged before total pilot incapacitation. The "continued flight' report implies that that a possible fire was not a large continuous fire which would have cause structural failure. On the other hand, if this report proves to be incorrect then the aircraft wreckage could be very close to the end of the altitude variances track, in a small hole in the Malaysian jungle.

- The only area of this aircraft where a fire could have caused equipment failures without crew detection by proximity (flight deck fire) or by a smoke/fire warning is in the Main Electronics Compartment.
 
United States looking for "independent confirmation" on the information related to the crash. Watching CNN and CBS News and seems as if the US gov't isn't very confident in the findings either.
 
United States looking for "independent confirmation" on the information related to the crash. Watching CNN and CBS News and seems as if the US gov't isn't very confident in the findings either.

Because the US is an authority on releasing the proper information.
 
From the guy who flies the 787's. Apparently there's a pilot that's been sending him and other pilots a newsletter for a few years and he's been including updates on this story in the letter. Info is below. He sent that as a response to my question as to why the plane would have ended up where it did and he said "Autopilot probably shorted out and airplane was ghost flying." The rest of the info is below.

This is not to leave the board please.







More from my former coworker:

Since my last email on MH370, (copied below for those that just joined the ranks), there have been a few developments.

- A Fact Finding Report is usually made public a couple of weeks after an aircraft accident takes place, detailing what has been found to date. In the case of Malaysia 370, I am not sure we will see one, as the Malaysian authorities may not turn over the investigation to those that have the technical competency to do it, like the American NTSB.

- This investigation has been lead by people with backgrounds in "Security" and not in "Aviation Safety" areas. Consequently this accident turned into a criminal investigation, because that's what they do. And as good as they may be in their fields, they have shown they know nothing about the reality of the aviation world. These pilots have been made guilty from the beginning and never had a chance to be innocent. Now, after weeks of investigating the pilots background and not having found a hint of malicious intent it's time to back off this path and use knowledge and experience to foresee the most likely scenario. This investigation is going in the wrong direction and it's running out of time and money.

- The media continues to report that the ACARS and Transponder were turned off (please see # 2 on the email below). I can accept this as the result of their lack of knowledge in these technical matters, but what I can't understand is that the pilots seating in these panels of experts do not correct this. And by the way, this is an aircraft accident and I have not heard yet, commentary from an aircraft accident investigator. We all have driver's licenses but this does not make us experts in car accident investigation.

- Unlike ACARS and Transponders, cell phones do "sign off" when they are shut down by sending a signal to the antenna indicating it has been turned off. Any callers to that number will know the phone is "off". On the other hand, if a phone is not shut down before a flight takes off, it will lose contact with the antenna and it will remain in "search" mode. A call placed to that number will indicate a ringing tone. This explains why the phones of some passengers of MH370 are still "ringing", they were simply not turned off before flight.

- Lately we have learned that there was a shipment of batteries on board MH370. - First, let's keep in mind that the early indications of something not normal with this flight was the ACARS and Transponder becoming disabled and Air Traffic Control failing to receive any voice communication from the pilots. - If these batteries were loaded in one of the cargo bays and had caught on fire, there would have been a Cargo Fire Warning before the aircraft suffered any equipment failures. Even if the batteries had been loaded in the most forward section of the forward cargo bay, the fire would have to burn through the forward cargo bulkhead and 5 to 6 feet of equipment in the Electronics Compartment until reaching panel P205 (at the bottom of the MEC) where all the Warning Electronic Units are located, before the Cargo Fire Warning would become disabled. For these reasons, It is extremely unlikely these batteries would have been the primary fire (cause).

- (Regarding # 4 and 5 below) - The aircraft makes a turn back towards landfall and drops to 12000 feet, climbs to 45000 feet, descends to 23000 feet and climbs to 29500 feet and descends to 5000 feet. There has been no mention of the time frame or rate of change of these events. This would determine if it was a controlled gradual change or a steep, out of control maneuver, and that would help understand the circumstances. These extreme altitude variances could be caused by pilot incapacitation or by Electronics Compartment fire damage to pitch control, (damage to the Primary Electrical System, cables of the Backup Stabilizer control system, and Backup Generators). Please refer to 1.18.2 page 68 of the B777 fire accident report enclosed on #6 below for more info on this matter.

- If this "altitude variances" report is correct and the report of "continued flight" for several hours is also correct, then the aircraft had to regain at least a heading and altitude hold modes. This means the altitude changes were likely caused by loss of visibility in the flight deck, and pitch control was re-engaged before total pilot incapacitation. The "continued flight' report implies that that a possible fire was not a large continuous fire which would have cause structural failure. On the other hand, if this report proves to be incorrect then the aircraft wreckage could be very close to the end of the altitude variances track, in a small hole in the Malaysian jungle.

- The only area of this aircraft where a fire could have caused equipment failures without crew detection by proximity (flight deck fire) or by a smoke/fire warning is in the Main Electronics Compartment.

I just posted this on all the major airlines forums and Redditt. I hope you don't mind...
 
Those are an extension of the board, so that's fine.
 
Those are an extension of the board, so that's fine.

I'm not going to argue the pilots point of the autopilot shorting out but shorts happen all the time on anything electrical. The most common of electrical failures by far. I can't imagine an aircraft of that magnitude doesn't have a back up of some sort in place. Oops autopilot is shorted we're all going to die...

Edit: Then again if the main electronics compartment caught on fire then it would fuck up everything in sight. Point taken.
 
I'm not going to argue the pilots point of the autopilot shorting out but shorts happen all the time on anything electrical. The most common of electrical failures by far. I can't imagine an aircraft of that magnitude doesn't have a back up of some sort in place. Oops autopilot is shorted we're all going to die...

Edit: Then again if the main electronics compartment caught on fire then it would fuck up everything in sight. Point taken.

We have procedures for "complete" (actually partial) electrical emergencies (Loss of all Gens). To put it simply, we maintain a safe speed, safe altitude, and the aircraft automatically configures itself into ESSENTIAL POWER. In ESS PWR we have approximately 40 minutes to land the aircraft using instruments still powered by the ESSENTIAL BUS. What happens after 40 minutes? Well, we lose the powered equipment - things like COM1, NAV1, and the Standby Instruments that provide engine params, heading and altitude information. The basic necessary instruments to provide a safe landing in VMC or IMC conditions. IMO, the most important factor of operating in ESS PWR is to exit know icing conditions, once that's accomplished you can fly for a long as the fuel on board permits. Ice changes everything, and is the only real threat to an airliner running on limited electrical power (unless there's an associated fire).

Partial (as described above) or total electrical failure (failure of the ESS BUS to properly configure in the above situation) will get a pilot's attention but are in no way a valid explanation for the alleged flight path of MH370. We can still AV, NAV, and COM in ESS power. Even a TOTAL failure would require only the use of a mag light and magnetic compass to navigate in any given direction.

Losing the autopilot is like losing cruise control functionality in a car, so that's how I feel about that theory.....

Somebody drove the airplane into the ocean. Period.
 
We have procedures for "complete" (actually partial) electrical emergencies (Loss of all Gens). To put it simply, we maintain a safe speed, safe altitude, and the aircraft automatically configures itself into ESSENTIAL POWER. In ESS PWR we have approximately 40 minutes to land the aircraft using instruments still powered by the ESSENTIAL BUS. What happens after 40 minutes? Well, we lose the powered equipment - things like COM1, NAV1, and the Standby Instruments that provide engine params, heading and altitude information. The basic necessary instruments to provide a safe landing in VMC or IMC conditions. IMO, the most important factor of operating in ESS PWR is to exit know icing conditions, once that's accomplished you can fly for a long as the fuel on board permits. Ice changes everything, and is the only real threat to an airliner running on limited electrical power (unless there's an associated fire).

Partial (as described above) or total electrical failure (failure of the ESS BUS to properly configure in the above situation) will get a pilot's attention but are in no way a valid explanation for the alleged flight path of MH370. We can still AV, NAV, and COM in ESS power. Even a TOTAL failure would require only the use of a mag light and magnetic compass to navigate in any given direction.

Losing the autopilot is like losing cruise control functionality in a car, so that's how I feel about that theory.....

Somebody drove the airplane into the ocean. Period.

Isn't it possible all on the airplane were incapacitated somehow and the plane flew itself then eventually ran out of fuel and crashed? Is that not plausible?
 
Isn't it possible all on the airplane were incapacitated somehow and the plane flew itself then eventually ran out of fuel and crashed? Is that not plausible?

I don't really have a dog in the hunt here, but to say something happened Period in this case seems a little over-zealous.

To put my friend's quote regarding autopilot back in context, his opinion is what Phills described above. That all were incapacitated and the plane ran itself into the ocean after running out of fuel. There would have been no pilots left to have control over the plane.
 
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