Malaysia Flight 370 missing

[Maximus]

Report: Investigators Now Looking for ‘Mystery Woman’ who Called Malaysia Airlines Pilot Before Takeoff

Investigators are examining the phone call made to Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah, the pilot of the missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370, a few hours before take-off from a fake number.

The phone number, from which the phone call was made, was bought under the stolen identity of a woman, Malaysian authorities told Mail Online.

The telephone conversation, between Shah and the unidentified person before the flight, lasted for about two minutes and it was one of the last conversations.

The authorities appear to be giving much weight to the phone call as it was made from an unknown pay-as-you-go SIM card number in Malaysia.

Meanwhile, the investigators are also trying to examine Shah's family including his estranged wife Faizah Khan. Though separated, she shares the same roof with Shah. She has not been approached by the police for the past two weeks, but the Malaysian authorities are increasingly under pressure from FBI officials to question her.
"Faizah has been spoken to gently by officers but she has not been questioned in detail to establish her husband's behaviour and state of mind in the days leading to the incident. This is partly for cultural reasons. It is not considered appropriate in Malaysia to subject people in situations of terrible bereavement to the stress of intensive questioning," a source told Mail.

“Investigators are treating it as potentially significant because anyone buying a pay-as-you-go [prepaid] SIM card in Malaysia has to fill out a form giving their identity card or passport number,” the British paper wrote.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...alled-malaysia-airlines-pilot-before-takeoff/

 

[DawgOnKing]

Isn't it possible all on the airplane were incapacitated somehow and the plane flew itself then eventually ran out of fuel and crashed? Is that not plausible?

Sure. That's what happened to Payne Stewart's private jet.

 

[The Oi]

Sure. That's what happened to Payne Stewart's private jet.

Based on what you've seen, what do you think is most likely between:

(A) someone other than the pilot running it into the ocean

(B) the pilot(s) running it into the ocean intentionaly

(C) incapacitation of crew and passengers and eventually running into the ocean

 

[SanduskyCav]

This plane didn't crash I to the Indian Ocean

 

[DawgOnKing]

Based on what you've seen, what do you think is most likely between:

(A) someone other than the pilot running it into the ocean

(B) the pilot(s) running it into the ocean intentionaly

(C) incapacitation of crew and passengers and eventually running into the ocean

As I've mentioned, I have a very difficult time believing this wasn't an intentional act. I say that based on two things:
- lack of communication
- time length of flight following lack of communication

that said, it's certainly plausible that some sort of catastrophic electric failure/fire could have caused the act. I'm not familiar enough with the B777 to conclusively say anything - I admit to that. The fact that no terrorist organization or group has claimed responsibility certainly casts some serious holes in my theory as well. So that leaves options B and C for me. I've already answered your question based on my post above. I hope I'm wrong.

I fear that if there's no conclusive or physical evidence found in the coming days, we may never know.

 

[The Oi]

Dawg,

Don't you think that if the pilots were doing it, much like a terrorist org, that they'd have found some way to communicate their intentions as well though? What would be the point of ramming the plane into the ocean to make a point if nobody's ever there to pass your point on?

By no means saying you're wrong. Those are just the first questions I asked myself when the media reported them investigating the pilots.

 

[DawgOnKing]

Dawg,

Don't you think that if the pilots were doing it, much like a terrorist org, that they'd have found some way to communicate their intentions as well though? What would be the point of ramming the plane into the ocean to make a point if nobody's ever there to pass your point on?

By no means saying you're wrong. Those are just the first questions I asked myself when the media reported them investigating the pilots.

Completely valid questions. And I'm probably wrong. I've viewed this as a suicidal mission for emotional instead of religious reasons. There's not always a note. The more I think about it, the fact that the airplane continued to fly for such a long time also discredits that theory. It always comes back to the same thing for me, why did the airplane stay in flight for such a long period of time following its diverted flight path along its intended route?

To be completely honest, I've not read many facts of the investigation either - just small blurbs here and there. I'm intrigued, but always assumed the wreckage would turn up and we would have answers. As that becomes less likely, my interest increases.

Anyway, I hope the searchers have some credible leads in the southern Indian Ocean.

 

[Numbers Guy]

What a cluster fuck of an investigation. Just embarrassing.

 

[SanduskyCav]

122 more potential objects found on most recent satellite images reviews (images are from 3/23). No debris has been located.

A forensic flight analyst was on 9.23 this morning and basically said that this plane was most likely crashed into the ocean by either a terrorist or suicidal act.

He said that if it were a controlled crash by either the Pilot or Auto Pilot where the plane would have run out of gas there would be much larger pieces of debris and the plane would have basically glided with a much softer landing into the water with a lot less wreckage and people would have had time to make distress calls. Also, if it were this type of controlled crash there are beacons for impact as well as beacons for salt water that would have immediately signaled a satellite at the crash point. These beacons are unable to be disconnected so it isn't as if a pilot or terrorist could have turned them off.

 

[Phills14]

Not sure I believe anything that comes from that sports radio show let alone hypothesises of the Malaysian Airline crash.

 

[The Oi]

He said that if it were a controlled crash by either the Pilot or Auto Pilot where the plane would have run out of gas there would be much larger pieces of debris and the plane would have basically glided with a much softer landing into the water with a lot less wreckage

We don't know how many pieces it's in yet.

Can someone confirm how a plane crashes if autopilot is on? If autopilot detects the plane is dropping or flying out of control, does it crash it in any particular way? How does a plane drop once it runs out of fuel? Is it just a gradual fall with the plane pointed at the correct angle? Or does it fall suddenly out of the sky? Does altitude gradually decrease as a plane runs out of fuel or does it just spiral down violently?

and people would have had time to make distress calls.

Not if a fire or smoke inhalation killed them.

Also, if it were this type of controlled crash there are beacons for impact as well as beacons for salt water that would have immediately signaled a satellite at the crash point. These beacons are unable to be disconnected so it isn't as if a pilot or terrorist could have turned them off.

But why would that prove a suicide or terrorist crashed the plane? Wouldn't that just be evidence that the beacons failed or that it never crashed at all?

 

[SanduskyCav]

We don't know how many pieces it's in yet.

Can someone confirm how a plane crashes if autopilot is on? If autopilot detects the plane is dropping or flying out of control, does it crash it in any particular way? How does a plane drop once it runs out of fuel? Is it just a gradual fall with the plane pointed at the correct angle? Or does it fall suddenly out of the sky? Does altitude gradually decrease as a plane runs out of fuel or does it just spiral down violently?



Not if a fire or smoke inhalation killed them.



But why would that prove a suicide or terrorist crashed the plane? Wouldn't that just be evidence that the beacons failed or that it never crashed at all?

Not sure if you are asking me these questions? I don't have the answers I am just relaying what the guest said.

The guest was Dr. George Bibel who is an expert in Forensics of Airplane Crashes.....

He was basing his conclusion off of the fact that the plane is in the ocean. He said if the plane coasted of was control crashed into the ocean these beacons would work...if the plane was actually crashed into the ocean then the impact would have probably destroyed them.

http://engineering.und.edu/mechanical/faculty/george-bibel-info.cfm

George Bibel, P.E., Information

Dr. Bibel has written the following books:

Beyond the Black Box: The Forensics of Airplane Crashes. Johns Hopkins University Press, 2008 (This book was developed into a training seminar presented to the Boeing Company.)

Train Wreck: The Forensics of Rail Disasters. John Hopkins University Press. 2012

Interests:

Engineering Disasters, Failure Analysis, Materials, Finite Element Analysis

Teaching Interests:

Dr. Bibel teaches a sequence on finite element analysis and a course on engineering disasters.

Books:

Beyond the Black Box: The Forensics of Airplane Crashes. Johns Hopkins University Press, 2008 (This book was developed into a training seminar presented to the Boeing Company.)

Train Wreck: The Forensics of Rail Disasters. John Hopkins University Press. 2012

Consulting:

Boeing, Seattle, Washington
U. S. Department of Justice, New York City
BP Oil Company, Cleveland, Ohio
T&N Technologies, Rugby, England
SABI Inc., Akron, Ohio
Marine & Petroleum Products Inc., San Antonio, Texas
Felpro Inc. Skokie, Illinois
Helicoflex Co., Columbia, South Carolina
Flexitallic Inc., Houston, Texas
Alside Inc., Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio
BP Chemical Company, Cleveland, Ohio
Telpro, Grand Forks, ND
EERC, Grand Forks, ND

Not sure I believe anything that comes from that sports radio show let alone hypothesises of the Malaysian Airline crash.

It wasn't Kylie or Booms analysis. It is someone who is an expert in the field. I think he is very credible...if he loses his credibility for being on that show I guess Boeing should also lose theirs because they use him as a trainer and consultant...

Sports Show or not, Kylie and Booms do get some very good and knowledgeable guests.

 

[SanduskyCav]

Now a reported 300 objects spotted....nothing concrete yet.

 

[SanduskyCav]

Search being moved 600 miles away from where the supposed objects have been being spotted for the last week. New analysis saying there is no way the plane flew that far.

 

[The Oi]

The guy that writes the newsletter I posted about is on CNN at 11:10 am today if anyone wants to check it out.