Matt Barnes agrees to 2 yr/$3.2 mil w/ Orlando (pg. 34)

[Gimme Some Mo]

Re: Matt Barnes Watch 2009

We're talking about a guy to back LeBron up for the season. In the playoffs, that person is delegated to maybe 4 minutes per game, if that.

Barnes is an efficient, unproven, below mediocre hack of an NBA player.

I'd rather use the BAE on Joe Smith. Barnes isn't worth it unless he wants to take the minimum.

Barnes isn't worth the BAE? That is funny. How many good players do you think would actually be willing to take the BAE?

Also, Wally played 12.8 mpg in the playoffs this season.

Barnes can definitely defend 2s and 3s better than Wally. He can also probably guard quicker 4s better than Wally. The only advantage Wally has is against bigger, stronger 4s. Barnes can play most 2's, all 3's, and some 4s. Wally can play no 2's, some 3's and some 4s.

Barnes is better at everything besides spot up shooting and posting up. But really, how often are we going to post up Wally? Once every 5 games?

And once the playoffs hit, Wally isn't a better spot up shooting option than Barnes. Like I already said, Wally 28% in playoffs.

Barnes only has 11 playoff games, but his 3P% is 42% in those 11 games. Far better than Wally.

 

[InBoobieWeTrust]

Re: Matt Barnes Watch 2009

Barnes isn't worth the BAE? That is funny. How many good players do you think would actually be willing to take the BAE?

Also, Wally played 12.8 mpg in the playoffs this season.

Barnes can definitely defend 2s and 3s better than Wally. He can also probably guard quicker 4s better than Wally. The only advantage Wally has is against bigger, stronger 4s. Barnes can play most 2's, all 3's, and some 4s. Wally can play no 2's, some 3's and some 4s.

Barnes is better at everything besides spot up shooting and posting up. But really, how often are we going to post up Wally? Once every 5 games?

And once the playoffs hit, Wally isn't a better spot up shooting option than Barnes. Like I already said, Wally 28% in playoffs.

Barnes only has 11 playoff games, but his 3P% is 42% in those 11 games. Far better than Wally.

Have you ever SEEN Matt Barnes defend?

Neither have I.

It doesn't happen.

You need to stop assuming that a guy with length and lateral quickness instantly becomes a defensive option. They don't. Barnes isn't. He's horrible. Terrible. Bad. Useless even.

You're right, Wally isn't better or good at much else besides spot up shooting and the occasional post-up.

But the problem is, Matt Barnes isn't good at posting up, shooting, or anything else. Wally dribbles off his own feet, at the scary thing is that Matt Barnes isn't much better.

I don't expect a good player to take the BAE, I do expect the BAE target to have at least one strength that he has shown that will fit in and help our team. Barnes doesn't have any of that.

 

[Silky Smooth]

Re: Matt Barnes Watch 2009

Im not sure if this was posted but this is what Mo had to say on his twitter.

Matt barnes will be a good look for the Cleveland Cavs. Quote

He either reads articles a lot or he knows something we dont.

 

[MirORich]

Re: Matt Barnes Watch 2009

Barnes' last to stop were with the two most offensive minded, defense optional systems in Golden State and Phoenix. I remember him playing some tenacious D in that Golden State-Dallas series a few playoffs back.

Again for a short term, small dollar contract, I'd prefer him over Wally and Joe Smith at this point

 

[Splitz]

Re: Matt Barnes Watch 2009

If he can come in with the mindset that he's not going to be a 3 point shooter for us then I am cool with it. He is a pretty strong guy despite his frame and filled in for Amare at the 4 when he went down. That said, don't expect a full time 4, because he won't be able to effectively guard a true post threat. He held his own fairly well though when he had to at the position in Phoenix.

He was actually a top football prospect so that's another thing that can help him gel with Lebron off the court (Not that it makes a difference, but chemistry is key). He's gonna be able to beat his man down the court so he's a guy that can run with Lebron and company. The effort is always there which is a step up from Sasha. His head will be in the game even if he isn't the smartest player. He's a confident guy, that's for sure. He deserves more than a Veterans Minimum contract which is what he played for last season. He's gonna show up for you regardless of what he's paid. He's not my top choice but I want to have some type of positivity here about him because there's a good possibility I will be rooting for him this upcoming season.

 

[InBoobieWeTrust]

Re: Matt Barnes Watch 2009

If we sign him, I'll root for him, and I hope I end up eating crow, but I think signing him would be a huge mistake, and I think a lot of the "optimism" about Barnes' game is just because almost everyone else is gone and his name has been linked with Cleveland, thus he's officially a dynamic player who can bring good things to both ends of the floor.

(he isn't, he's bad, please don't sign him)

 

[Otsego Mar]

Re: Matt Barnes Watch 2009

Again IBWT...if Barnes is bad at 10-5 a night....what is Wally??? Whoreiffic?

Has Wally, Sasha, or Boobie averaged 10-5 a season for us ever? I think not.

 

[KIisKing]

Re: Matt Barnes Watch 2009

How could using the bi-annual on a player end up being a mistake?

You can never make mistakes using the bi-annual.

 

[InBoobieWeTrust]

Re: Matt Barnes Watch 2009

Again IBWT...if Barnes is bad at 10-5 a night....what is Wally??? Whoreiffic?

Has Wally, Sasha, or Boobie averaged 10-5 a season for us ever? I think not.

Insane argument. Come on man, you're better than that.

Matt Barnes played 27 MPG on the Phoenix Suns, an up-tempo offensive efficiency juggernaut.

Wally Szczerbiak played 20MPG on the Cleveland Cavaliers, one of the slowest paced teams in the league.

It's asinine to act like Matt Barnes would average 10-5 here. Asinine.

You might be able to convince me he could average 5-7 points and 2-4 rebounds a game.

(hint: That's what Wally averaged!)

I just think we should use the BAE on a guy with a skill. Not a guy who played for the veteran minimum on the most efficient team in basketball, while managing to be terribly inefficient. Maybe we use the BAE on Joe Smith! Or even Joey Graham...at least Joey Graham has shown defensive capabilities. At least those guys have niches that you can try to let them play into. Matt Barnes can't shoot, slash, or defend.

 

[Otsego Mar]

Re: Matt Barnes Watch 2009

Insane argument. Come on man, you're better than that.

Matt Barnes played 27 MPG on the Phoenix Suns, an up-tempo offensive efficiency juggernaut.

Wally Szczerbiak played 20MPG on the Cleveland Cavaliers, one of the slowest paced teams in the league.

It's asinine to act like Matt Barnes would average 10-5 here. Asinine.

You might be able to convince me he could average 5-7 points and 2-4 rebounds a game.

(hint: That's what Wally averaged!)

IBWT...YOU'RE better than THAT!

You keep bringing up the fact that Barnes played on this offense juggernaut in PHX. I agree with that....BUT, you seem to think that that is the ONLY reason why Barnes put up the #'s he did. And that's where I disagree. I do think he could put up 10-5 here, easily. He'd have Shaq - just like last year - and possibly a better passer in LeBron. He'd get a lot of open looks, and as you said, he can finish around the rim on the breaks. I want him on this team to round out the bench for sure. And besides, there may not be any better options out there through FA.

 

[Zog]

Re: Matt Barnes Watch 2009

If Barnes can come in and do the same thing Wally did, except not give up a point per minute to whoever he was guarding, I'd be happy. He's athletic enough to play good defense, and has the size to defend 3's and some 4's.

Then we can S&T Wally in the trade Max has hinted will happen in a month or so.

 

[InBoobieWeTrust]

Re: Matt Barnes Watch 2009

If Barnes can come in and do the same thing Wally did, except not give up a point per minute to whoever he was guarding, I'd be happy. He's athletic enough to play good defense, and has the size to defend 3's and some 4's.

Then we can S&T Wally in the trade Max has hinted will happen in a month or so.

He can't.

He can't hit the 3 at a 41% clip. Probably can't fit into a half-court offense.

He can't even do the whole "not giving up a point per minute" thing. Or at least he never has shown the ability to do that in his entire career.

 

[InBoobieWeTrust]

Re: Matt Barnes Watch 2009

IBWT...YOU'RE better than THAT!

You keep bringing up the fact that Barnes played on this offense juggernaut in PHX. I agree with that....BUT, you seem to think that that is the ONLY reason why Barnes put up the #'s he did. And that's where I disagree. I do think he could put up 10-5 here, easily. He'd have Shaq - just like last year - and possibly a better passer in LeBron. He'd get a lot of open looks, and as you said, he can finish around the rim on the breaks. I want him on this team to round out the bench for sure. And besides, there may not be any better options out there through FA.

LeBron's a great passer, but we're talking about Steve Nash here. Steve Nash is the best passer in the game not named Chris Paul. C'mon now.

Where is Barnes going to get 27 minutes a game to come up with the 10-5 he put up in Phoenix?

If Barnes comes here and simply makes an effort defensively and plays within the system, even if he is unefficient, then he may be worth the BAE. I just have serious doubts about his ability/willingness to do that.

 

[MYoung23]

Re: Matt Barnes Watch 2009

Arguing over Matt Barnes is like arguing over plain graham crackers or Lorna Doones

 

[Otsego Mar]

Re: Matt Barnes Watch 2009

I'm sure he could get 20+ MPG.