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I'd kind of expect the Cavs to add a player like A.Nicholson or D.Green with #24 if they take MGK at #4.
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I'd kind of expect the Cavs to add a player like A.Nicholson or D.Green with #24 if they take MGK at #4.
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Re: A closer look at Bradley Beal
Why are people so high on MKG?
He's a winner? Sounds like Tim Tebow, tbh :chuckles:.
Why are people so high on MKG?
He's a winner? Sounds like Tim Tebow, tbh :chuckles:.
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Is MKG going to be Alonzo Gee 2.0?
I like him a lot, but when it comes down to the scouting report, it seems like Gee's report with similar size, an NBA body, and strengths of defense, athleticism, running the floor, rebounding, and finishing around the basket. Weaknesses include an inconsistent shot and questions on whether he can create for himself. So is he going to just be a little better than Gee and a glue guy or will he improve to be a perennial all-star?
I like him a lot, but when it comes down to the scouting report, it seems like Gee's report with similar size, an NBA body, and strengths of defense, athleticism, running the floor, rebounding, and finishing around the basket. Weaknesses include an inconsistent shot and questions on whether he can create for himself. So is he going to just be a little better than Gee and a glue guy or will he improve to be a perennial all-star?
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"Somewhere in between" is probably the correct answer.
I can see the comparisons between Gee and MKG, but there are reasons why Gee was undrafted and MKG is going to be a top 5 pick.
MKG's offensive skills are close to Gee's today, but MKG is 7 years younger. I think MKG will add a lot of tools to his game in the next few years. Physically, MGK has a better reach, faster sprint, and better strength than Gee. Both guys are able to defend multiple positions, so it isn't like they could never be on the floor at the same time.
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Also MKG has better handles than Gee already and has natural fluidity shooting off the dribble.
Gee's shooting off the dribble is inconsistent and predictable. He doesn't have the natural flow and balance that MKG possesses, even with his mediocre mechanics. It takes Gee a good 2 seconds to gather and shoot off the dribble, whereas MKG can transition fluidly into a jumpshot off the bounce. This goes a long way in determining a player's offensive ceiling, IMO, and is independent from shooting mechanics.
Gee's shooting off the dribble is inconsistent and predictable. He doesn't have the natural flow and balance that MKG possesses, even with his mediocre mechanics. It takes Gee a good 2 seconds to gather and shoot off the dribble, whereas MKG can transition fluidly into a jumpshot off the bounce. This goes a long way in determining a player's offensive ceiling, IMO, and is independent from shooting mechanics.
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Adding a bench shooter isnt going to cut.
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Absolutely. If we want to invest #4 in MKG, we must exhaust any and all opportunities to trade #24 up to select a starting SG with range, i.e. Jeremy Lamb. If not we gotta look into a FA in the meantime or you're going to stunt everyone's growth with the miserable spacing we'll have.
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I agree.
What about MKG at 4 and a guy like Ross? I think most mocks have him going in the early teens. It would be a little easier to trade up to grab a guy like Ross than it would Lamb or Rivers. If the Cavs came out of this draft with MKG and Ross I would be very happy.
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Re: A closer look at Bradley Beal
Yes, he's a winner, but he's also athletic & talented.
Like he's said, he 'just wants to win' and will do whatever it takes to win. No one is going to outwork him.
I don't know about you, but that's the kind of guy I want on my team.
Yes, he's a winner, but he's also athletic & talented.
Like he's said, he 'just wants to win' and will do whatever it takes to win. No one is going to outwork him.
I don't know about you, but that's the kind of guy I want on my team.
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I think MKG is the best player for us to take at the 4 because he is the type of player that would most contribute to longterm success. Sure, Beal may land on more all-star teams, but if MKG gives us more upside in terms of winning in the playoffs then I would rather have him than Beal.
The main thing that makes him desirable is his work ethic and what Bill Simmons calls "winnability." He seems to have the mentality that would allow him to contribute to said winning and also allow him to become a leader on this team. Having a great relationship with high-school teammate Kyrie is just the icing on the cake. His work ethic should be sufficient to solve any problems he has with his game.
And finally, to address the concern about his lack of a jumpshot, I have two points:
First, we could roll out shooters with the capabilities of Ray Allen at 3 spots next year and we still won't win. The next season isn't when we are supposed to make a jump into th playoffs. It is when we continue to let our young players grow, get assets, build chemistry, and prepare for future domination. Thus, in no way is it counterprouctive to trot out a rotation with MKG, T^2, and AV getting big minutes. We don't need the floor spaced now. If we need floor spacing down the road, then we can draft/sign players to fit into the spots. In the long-term, I would fully expect either T^2 or MKG to turn into quality outside shooters for their position (18 footers for Thompson, 35%+ from 3 for MKG). With Kyrie's awesome shooting numbers we just need two more players with decent jumpers to fill in the rotation and we will be set.
Second, it is possible to shoot well with an unorthodox release. Someone earlier posted the percents for Marion as he shot pretty well for his career despite a shot that is about as pretty as a pig wearing lipstick. Heck, even Kevin Martin has an odd release and he is a constant threat from three point range. There is no reason that MKG can't either a. fix the release or b. develop his odd release into a consistent one. As long as the ball gets into the basket, the method is really irrelevant.
So, I think that we should draft MKG because he is the kind of player that fills in all the holes for a championship team. Whether that means he is a rich man's Horry or a poor man's Pippen/Havliceck doesn't matter. As long as he can contribute to the acquiring of championships, it is set. This is where I think he differs from the other possible options at his pick as he is a player who has the skills to excel in the postseason and not the regular one.
Do I have any way to back this up beyond what I have seen of his play and read about him? No, but everything I have read would suggest my conclusion is correct.
tl;dr: MKG helps win in playoffs, jumpshot isnt an issue
The main thing that makes him desirable is his work ethic and what Bill Simmons calls "winnability." He seems to have the mentality that would allow him to contribute to said winning and also allow him to become a leader on this team. Having a great relationship with high-school teammate Kyrie is just the icing on the cake. His work ethic should be sufficient to solve any problems he has with his game.
And finally, to address the concern about his lack of a jumpshot, I have two points:
First, we could roll out shooters with the capabilities of Ray Allen at 3 spots next year and we still won't win. The next season isn't when we are supposed to make a jump into th playoffs. It is when we continue to let our young players grow, get assets, build chemistry, and prepare for future domination. Thus, in no way is it counterprouctive to trot out a rotation with MKG, T^2, and AV getting big minutes. We don't need the floor spaced now. If we need floor spacing down the road, then we can draft/sign players to fit into the spots. In the long-term, I would fully expect either T^2 or MKG to turn into quality outside shooters for their position (18 footers for Thompson, 35%+ from 3 for MKG). With Kyrie's awesome shooting numbers we just need two more players with decent jumpers to fill in the rotation and we will be set.
Second, it is possible to shoot well with an unorthodox release. Someone earlier posted the percents for Marion as he shot pretty well for his career despite a shot that is about as pretty as a pig wearing lipstick. Heck, even Kevin Martin has an odd release and he is a constant threat from three point range. There is no reason that MKG can't either a. fix the release or b. develop his odd release into a consistent one. As long as the ball gets into the basket, the method is really irrelevant.
So, I think that we should draft MKG because he is the kind of player that fills in all the holes for a championship team. Whether that means he is a rich man's Horry or a poor man's Pippen/Havliceck doesn't matter. As long as he can contribute to the acquiring of championships, it is set. This is where I think he differs from the other possible options at his pick as he is a player who has the skills to excel in the postseason and not the regular one.
Do I have any way to back this up beyond what I have seen of his play and read about him? No, but everything I have read would suggest my conclusion is correct.
tl;dr: MKG helps win in playoffs, jumpshot isnt an issue
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Am I right in thinking this dude is the youngest player in the draft?
He allready has the motor/desire to win at such a young age, he has the time to develop his jumpshot and other things.
To me, if he is on the board at #4, it's a no brainer.
It all comes down to what Charlotte does.
He allready has the motor/desire to win at such a young age, he has the time to develop his jumpshot and other things.
To me, if he is on the board at #4, it's a no brainer.
It all comes down to what Charlotte does.
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The kid doesn't even turn 19 until September 28. Unreal how young he is..
Wait - did you hear we are passing or him? Or do you have a bad feeling he will be there and we WILL pass on him?