Mike Pettine

[Phills14]

The thing to worry about is if the Browns offensive continues to look good all year, Kyle Shanahan will become a head coach candidate this off season.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

The thing to worry about is if the Browns offensive continues to look good all year, Kyle Shanahan will become a head coach candidate this off season.

I wonder if he'd hop on the first opportunity, or wait for a better one? He's young, and I suspect that if the Browns make the playoffs, Jimmy's checkbook may open up to make staying for another year or two a possibility.

 

[Shakalu M.D.]

I really don't understand why more teams don't run zone blocking. It's clearly incredibly effective for the running game.

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

I really don't understand why more teams don't run zone blocking. It's clearly incredibly effective for the running game.

A lot of teams do, they just don't know the proper way to run it.

Kyle Shanahan got a first hand look at it when he saw his Dad run the same system in Denver, a system that turned guys like Ruben Droughns and Olandis Gary into legitimate RB's. The guy learned from the masters of the ZBS and has adapted it to his own coaching style.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

I really don't understand why more teams don't run zone blocking. It's clearly incredibly effective for the running game.

One perceived drawback is that it requires lighter, more agile linemen, which may be a disadvantage if you need to power run, or in pass blocking.

 

[The Oi]

Yep, same reason run and shoot and read option aren't run successfully at all levels.

There's personnel issues in a league where you have to be able to mix up your offensive strategy to account for the 3-4 solid defenses your face in the regular season and 1-2 great ones you'll face in the playoffs.

You can probably tear up more than half your schedule with gimmicky strategies, but if you run into a coach that can scheme for it and a defense that can account for your personnel if you don't also have an elite D, you'll just get game-planned to death like the Broncos were in the Super Bowl.

That's not to say the Broncos offense is a gimmick. It's just that the Seahawks had the Cornerbacks to shut down the receivers and confuse Peyton and the Broncos didn't have the run game to combat it.

That's one thing we should all be happy about with the Browns offense. There's a reason why Hoyer hasn't thrown for Matt Ryan style lines and it's because the running backs are finishing off the drives from 10-20 yards out before he has a chance to throw for short TD's. I'm not going to guarantee anything for the Browns in this short season, but they're doing it the right way in terms of offense. They can run and they can pass and they're mixing it up enough to confuse defenses.

 

[Binkster]

Give credit where credit is due. Haslam took a serious amount of shit (most of it well deserved) after firing Chud. Does it look like he made the right move?

Win or lose, I haven't seen a Browns team play with this much fire in 15 years.

 

[shoes22]

Give credit where credit is due. Haslam took a serious amount of shit (most of it well deserved) after firing Chud. Does it look like he made the right move?

Win or lose, I haven't seen a Browns team play with this much fire in 15 years.

I attribute most of our success to Shanahan over Pettine, personally.

 

[Jack Brickman]

I attribute most of our success to Shanahan over Pettine, personally.

How many coaches has our team quit on over the past decade, though? How many of them would our team have fought for coming out of halftime like they have in several games this season?

Shanahan is doing a great job with the offensive game-planning, but Pettine is the guy kicking them in the ass at halftime.

 

[Soda]

I attribute most of our success to Shanahan over Pettine, personally.

We've had good coordinators. Team still quits.

I knew this type of passive aggressiveness was coming, I just didn't expect it from you. It's called being organized. It's something that not all coordinators are ready to do for an entire team. Pettine is pulling the strings. Shannahan has strings attached to him that Pettine tugs, he just doesn't tug them very hard, to his credit. It's easy to get in the way as a head coach. It's not so easy knowing where to do/say what with control of such a large workforce.

 

[Binkster]

I attribute most of our success to Shanahan over Pettine, personally.

Newsflash: Pettine hired Shanahan, picked Hoyer for the starting job, elevated Crowell in the pecking order (no pun intended), and is at least partially responsible for this group's resiliency.

You think Shanahan would have had this success with previous regimes?

 

[shoes22]

We've had good coordinators. Team still quits.

I knew this type of passive aggressiveness was coming, I just didn't expect it from you. It's called being organized. It's something that not all coordinators are ready to do for an entire team. Pettine is pulling the strings. Shannahan has strings attached to him that Pettine tugs, he just doesn't tug them very hard, to his credit. It's easy to get in the way as a head coach. It's not so easy knowing where to do/say what with control of such a large workforce.

I'm not at all trying to be passive-aggressive or trollish about this, I'm just stating matter of factly. It's great that Pettine is seemingly getting the most of his staff and has gotten his players to buy in. I'm not discounting the significance of that, but with such an inexperienced head coach, I think it's fair to say he relies on his assistants more than most...and I think it's possible the collective contributions of his staff have been more important than Pettine himself.

 

[AZ_]

Give credit where credit is due. Haslam took a serious amount of shit (most of it well deserved) after firing Chud. Does it look like he made the right move?

Win or lose, I haven't seen a Browns team play with this much fire in 15 years.

Taking that amount of shit he did was totally justified. And he'll be judged that way until he produces a more consistent product with less of a short fuse in terms of management turnover.

Early returns are positive, and he should get the lions share of the positive credit for that.

 

[shoes22]

Newsflash: Pettine hired Shanahan, picked Hoyer for the starting job, elevated Crowell in the pecking order (no pun intended), and is at least partially responsible for this group's resiliency.

You think Shanahan would have had this success with previous regimes?

Yes Pettine did all of those things...but what is so unique about any of that, that's something several other head coaches in his situation wouldn't have done?

Pettine doesn't have much experience with offense, so he hired a guy that could really take control of scheming that side of the ball. Special teams has been hit or miss and the defense has been well below-average so far. After the preseason, it was clear Hoyer was more mentally prepared to be the starter over Manziel. If the goal was to win as many games as possible this year, Hoyer was the easy pick.

And Crowell had deserved his promotion based on what the coaches saw out of him the first two weeks. I didn't see a single fan or analyst disagree with that, so I wouldn't consider that such an "out-on-a-limb" decision either.

 

[Jack Brickman]

And Crowell had deserved his promotion based on what the coaches saw out of him the first two weeks. I didn't see a single fan or analyst disagree with that, so I wouldn't consider that such an "out-on-a-limb" decision either.

Based on the shitshows we've witnessed here over the past decade, I'm perfectly fine with applauding a coach for making common sense decisions. It's a fucking rarity for the Browns.