Mike Pettine

[godfather]

Very interesting he would have that outlook considering his and Jim O'Neil's backgrounds. You could argue he and his staff are the living embodiment of the Peter principle.

His reluctance to fire O'Neil, might just be his bad judgment. Every time he speaks of what's wrong with the defense, he talks like it's the players fault, never their fault.

"Guys" just not doing their job. When I hear stuff like that, then I know this guy just needs to go, and doesn't have a grip on this team at all.

 

[jonmchugh]

I think Pettine did a good job last season to take us to 7-9, but has regressed this season.

He has poor clock management game after game; the team shows no fire; has no discipline; and most importantly, the D hasn't improved one bit under his watch, despite him being a defensive coach.

I also think he refuses to play some of Farmer's guys. You can't tell me Gilbert has looked worse than Bademosi, Duke doesn't see the field nearly as much as he should, etc..

Does this team have a ton of talent? No. However, this also isn't a 2-7 team either, especially since we've actually been getting some pretty damn solid QB play from McCown.

agree a caller called in on bull and fox and made the same statement but bull yelled at him and an him of the air.

 

[Phills14]

Very interesting he would have that outlook considering his and Jim O'Neil's backgrounds. You could argue he and his staff are the living embodiment of the Peter principle.

Let's be real here. Pettine giving O'Neil the job as DC is no different than 100% of all other head coaches and staffs around the league. They ALL give jobs to guys they've worked with in the past, guys they like personally and guys they have a level of comfort with.

Very rarely do you see situations like last year where Kyle Shanahan and Pettine are put together even though they've never crossed paths with each other.

 

[godfather]

Let's be real here. Pettine giving O'Neil the job as DC is no different than 100% of all other head coaches and staffs around the league. They ALL give jobs to guys they've worked with in the past, guys they like personally and guys they have a level of comfort with.

Very rarely do you see situations like last year where Kyle Shanahan and Pettine are put together even though they've never crossed paths with each other.

Agree, this happens all the time. I mean, he installs a guy he knows to run the system he trusts.

Let's just mark it up to Pettine having bad judgment when it comes to his staff, not just him looking to do "favors" for guys he knows.

Coaches know they have a short window in this league. I'm not sure his reluctance to fire O'Neil is him doing a personal favor. It might be that he thinks O'Neil isn't at fault, but the players themselves are.

It kinda sounds like that's how he feels when you hear him talk.

It's not likely he's going to fire O'Neil, and bring an outsider in to run a defense that Pettine isn't familiar with. Pettine is a defensive guy.

That's why when people want to point the finger at O'Neil so much, why not just point it at Pettine.

If he can't be responsible for what happens, then we got to ask why he's the head coach of this team.

I know they have injuries, I know there's been things that haven't helped. But there's no excuse we should be this bad on that side of the ball like we've been.

I just get the feeling players don't even respond to them at all. That's definitely a problem.

 

[Pick6]

This guy is starting to reach Pat Shurmur levels of cluelessness.
View: https://twitter.com/DustinFox37/status/662727249439756289

 

[Jack Brickman]

The coach doesnt adjust, he doesnt work around his talent, and doesnt fire up anyone.

The problem isn't that he doesn't adjust. The problem is that his adjustments make the team even worse in the second half.

 

[Birdy89]

Agree, this happens all the time. I mean, he installs a guy he knows to run the system he trusts.

Let's just mark it up to Pettine having bad judgment when it comes to his staff, not just him looking to do "favors" for guys he knows.

Coaches know they have a short window in this league. I'm not sure his reluctance to fire O'Neil is him doing a personal favor. It might be that he thinks O'Neil isn't at fault, but the players themselves are.

It kinda sounds like that's how he feels when you hear him talk.

It's not likely he's going to fire O'Neil, and bring an outsider in to run a defense that Pettine isn't familiar with. Pettine is a defensive guy.

That's why when people want to point the finger at O'Neil so much, why not just point it at Pettine.

If he can't be responsible for what happens, then we got to ask why he's the head coach of this team.

I know they have injuries, I know there's been things that haven't helped. But there's no excuse we should be this bad on that side of the ball like we've been.

I just get the feeling players don't even respond to them at all. That's definitely a problem.

He only knows the system he learned under Rex Ryan. Pettine has only been a coach in the league not even a decade. Jim O'Neil is even worse, as he has almost no experience prior to being bumped to DC when Pettine got this job. He was a family friend, and Pettine wanted to take him along for the ride the same way Rex took him when they left Baltimore.

It's a nice sentiment, but you look at a very inexperienced first time head coach and he should have had seasoned guys around him.

Look at the resumes of our coaches now and it is striking how thin they are across the board, and it shows on the field.

Having seasoned vets doesn't guarantee success, but it helps minimize incompetence.

Pettine was wildly fortunate last year to play one of the easiest schedules in NFL history, having played the 4 worst teams in the league. That rarely if ever happens, and certainly inflated his win totals and kept him from being exposed.

The defense was one of the worst in the league against that schedule, and this year without the cupcakes it has been brutal to watch because it is the same level of failure just against better competition.

The next head coach just absolutely needs to have some kind of head coaching experience beyond high school on his resume. It should be non-negotiable for Jimmy as a bare minimum starting point for the next coach.

 

[Binkster]

This guy is starting to reach Pat Shurmur levels of cluelessness.
View: https://twitter.com/DustinFox37/status/662727249439756289

Eh, I don't really care about this at all. Not remembering a specific down for a specific play earlier in the game has no impact on what his decisions were in that moment. Non-story. Just misremembered. He's human.

 

[NtG]

Eh, I don't really care about this at all. Not remembering a specific down for a specific play earlier in the game has no impact on what his decisions were in that moment. Non-story. Just misremembered. He's human.

I disagree, it shows he wasn't tuned into the game as much as he should have been. That was a pretty huge play to forget. If he knew it was 4th down at the time of the play, then there is no way he would have forgotten what down it was by the time of that interview.

 

[Mr. Orange]

1. Fire Ray Farmer. Someone has to pay for this. The drafts, textgate, and the free agents....he has been the architect.

2. Keep Mike Pettine - IF he replaces Jim O'Neill at year end. Why not fire Mike? Keep him around at least until we have a better option. As another poster said, the job fair head coach search is not a good look. Plus he has really shit cards from Ray.

3. Start Johnny for the rest of the year. I mean why not? It is at least much more interesting when he plays. Plus I want to go 2-14 and be done with the Manziel experiment. This is the only way @AZ_ I don't care about the shit vets like Randy Starks and how they feel about it.

 

[spydy13]

Pettine has only been a coach in the league not even a decade.

He's got into the league in 2002 as a coaching assistant, so he's actually been in the league a little over a decade.

I agree with your premise though that he could have used more seasoned assistants, which is unfortunately the situation we had with Chud before we cut him loose.

 

[godfather]

1. Fire Ray Farmer. Someone has to pay for this. The drafts, textgate, and the free agents....he has been the architect.

2. Keep Mike Pettine - IF he replaces Jim O'Neill at year end. Why not fire Mike? Keep him around at least until we have a better option. As another poster said, the job fair head coach search is not a good look. Plus he has really shit cards from Ray.

3. Start Johnny for the rest of the year. I mean why not? It is at least much more interesting when he plays. Plus I want to go 2-14 and be done with the Manziel experiment. This is the only way @AZ_ I don't care about the shit vets like Randy Starks and how they feel about it.

I want the number one pick too, but you can't just literally sabotage an entire team that way.

I don't know anymore. I think it's just a bad message to say to a team, bench a QB that's playing well because we want to tank.

Great, we get the number one pick, and we get rid of a lot of dead weight. But a lot of these guys will remain on the team going forward. You need something positive out of these guys going forward.

As for not firing Pettine. I think it depends how bad it's gotten in the locker room. If the team is tuning him out, and don't respond to him. He's gotta go.

There's no debate about that. If he was at least just treading water you could live with him. But I doubt that's the case anymore.

This looks like a team that's not only bad, but has been completely lost by the head coach.

 

[spydy13]

1. Fire Ray Farmer. Someone has to pay for this. The drafts, textgate, and the free agents....he has been the architect.

2. Keep Mike Pettine - IF he replaces Jim O'Neill at year end. Why not fire Mike? Keep him around at least until we have a better option. As another poster said, the job fair head coach search is not a good look. Plus he has really shit cards from Ray.

I see lots of people suggesting this, but how do you expect to get a quality GM candidate if you're going to saddle him with somebody else's sloppy seconds (or is it thirds, since he was hired by Banner/Lombardi?)?

Edit: Or are you talking about in-season moves?

 

[godfather]

By the way, why is it Goff or bust? I think this is looking to be a pretty good QB class. I wouldn't cry about getting Connor Cook.

 

[spydy13]

I think it's just a bad message to say to a team, bench a QB that's playing well because we want to tank.

They aren't playing all that well while we're trying to win, so what does it matter? Let the young guys play, and worry about next season when you're in next season. At least we can salvage something from the last 7 weeks by getting our young guys some experience.