Moneyball Comes to Cleveland

[The Voice]

Also if you're going to destroy them about signing Kenny Britt, you gotta give them credit for Tretter, Zeitler and McCorty


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[Ohio]

0 for 7? Care elaborating?

Yeah, I'd love to hear how Myles Garrett and Njoku are both 0's.

Garrett is at least a double and njoku at least a single. Ogbah is also probably a single too.

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I could be wrong, but I don't think those picks came from the Wentz trade.

What do we have to show for that trade?

 

[dark2332]

0 for 7? Care elaborating?

Sure. So, 0-7 was me making up a hypothetical number. It's intent was more for making the point of 1 for 1 is better than 0-7. But let's look at it, for fun.

Via trades, here's a summation of the trade:

Red designates a strikeout, Blue represents still undecided, and Black represents a home-run.


Eagles receive:

2016 No. 2 -- Carson Wentz
2017 No. 132 – Donnel Pumphrey


Browns receive:

2018 First Rounder -- Houston
2018 2nd Rounder -- Philadelphia

2017 No. 25 -- Jabrill Peppers
2017 No. 52 -- DeShone Kizer

2016 No. 76 -- Shon Coleman
2016 No. 93 -- Cody Kessler
2016 No. 114 -- Ricardo Louis
2016 No. 129 -- Derrick Kindred
2016 No. 154 -- Jordan Payton
2016 No. 168 -- Spencer Drango


So, the Eagles are 1 for 1 with a homerun and waiting to assess the other at-bat.

The Browns are still waiting to see if any of their at-bats yield a hit. They have 3 K's already, and Kizer is down 0-2, choking up the bat and staring down a wicked slider.

Again, this isn't "in relation to where they were drafted, they did alright." I'm counting a hit as a real impact NFL player.

 

[Pick6]

L.O.L. Derrick Kindred is far from a strike out. He might be the best player on that list as of right now. Can't agree with calling a rookie QB a strikeout halfway through their first season either.

 

[CBBI]

Red designates a strikeout
2016 No. 114 -- Ricardo Louis
2016 No. 129 -- Derrick Kindred

Disagree with both of these.

 

[Ohio]

So, Browns got a bunch of (hopefully) average players...

And the Eagles got a Franchise QB.

Light. Years. Ahead.

 

[dark2332]

Disagree with both of these.

Fine, these things are debatable.... although, Louis can't even catch. Kindred, perhaps, might be something.

 

[dark2332]

L.O.L. Derrick Kindred is far from a strike out. He might be the best player on that list as of right now. Can't agree with calling a rookie QB a strikeout halfway through their first season either.

I called DeShone Kizer a strikeout because most of the board seems to feel that way. Personally, I have defended him on here.

 

[dark2332]

L.O.L. Derrick Kindred is far from a strike out. He might be the best player on that list as of right now. Can't agree with calling a rookie QB a strikeout halfway through their first season either.

Disagree with both of these.

Fine, these things are debatable.... although, Louis can't even catch. Kindred, perhaps, might be something.

Maybe you guys are right... maybe not. But I will tell you this--if you're having a debate in year two about a guy being a strikeout or a potential roster player, it's not like we hammered home the pick. Of course, with late round guys, you aren't expected to. It's why you don't trade a high 1st round pick for 8 5th rounders.

 

[The Voice]

Sure. So, 0-7 was me making up a hypothetical number. It's intent was more for making the point of 1 for 1 is better than 0-7. But let's look at it, for fun.

Via trades, here's a summation of the trade:

Red designates a strikeout, Blue represents a single (still undecided), and Black represents a home-run.


Eagles receive:

2016 No. 2 -- Carson Wentz
2017 No. 132 – Donnel Pumphrey


Browns receive:

2018 First Rounder -- Houston
2018 2nd Rounder -- Philadelphia

2017 No. 25 -- Jabrill Peppers
2017 No. 52 -- DeShone Kizer

2016 No. 76 -- Shon Coleman
2016 No. 93 -- Cody Kessler
2016 No. 114 -- Ricardo Louis
2016 No. 129 -- Derrick Kindred
2016 No. 154 -- Jordan Payton
2016 No. 168 -- Spencer Drango


So, the Eagles are 2 for 2 with a homerun and a potential single.

The Browns are 3 for 8 with three potential singles and 5 strikeouts. We also have two more at-bats in the 2018 draft.

Was Jared Goff a strike out in year 1? What is he now?


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[Pick6]

I called DeShone Kizer a strikeout because most of the board seems to feel that way. Personally, I have defended him on here.

I lean that way myself. Was never a fan of the pick but he grew on me some in the preseason. I just look no further back than last year at Goff to make me realize I need to be patient. If he doesn't improve, that STILL doesn't mean he's going to be a bust, but its not going to stop me from taking a QB 1 overall. 2 guys with potential is better than 1.

 

[Mr. Orange]

Sure. So, 0-7 was me making up a hypothetical number. It's intent was more for making the point of 1 for 1 is better than 0-7. But let's look at it, for fun.

Via trades, here's a summation of the trade:

Red designates a strikeout, Blue represents a single (still undecided), and Black represents a home-run.


Eagles receive:

2016 No. 2 -- Carson Wentz
2017 No. 132 – Donnel Pumphrey


Browns receive:

2018 First Rounder -- Houston
2018 2nd Rounder -- Philadelphia

2017 No. 25 -- Jabrill Peppers
2017 No. 52 -- DeShone Kizer

2016 No. 76 -- Shon Coleman
2016 No. 93 -- Cody Kessler
2016 No. 114 -- Ricardo Louis
2016 No. 129 -- Derrick Kindred
2016 No. 154 -- Jordan Payton
2016 No. 168 -- Spencer Drango


So, the Eagles are 2 for 2 with a homerun and a potential single.

The Browns are 3 for 8 with three potential singles and 5 strikeouts. We also have two more at-bats in the 2018 draft.

Jabrill Peppers sucks. The real miss was not taking Watson. Add Watson and Obi Melifonwu and now you got yourself a goddamn stew.

 

[Pick6]

Jabrill Peppers sucks. The real miss was not taking Watson. Add Watson and Obi Melifonwu and now you got yourself a goddamn stew.

Melifonwu hasn't even played yet this season, dude.

 

[dark2332]

Was Jared Goff a strike out in year 1? What is he now?


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Point taken, I'm just doing this as an exercise. I'll change the post--the goal was to show their haul versus ours to this point.

 

[Jack Brickman]

Maybe you guys are right... maybe not. But I will tell you this--if you're having a debate in year two about a guy being a strikeout or a potential roster player, it's not like we hammered home the pick. Of course, with late round guys, you aren't expected to. It's why you don't trade a high 1st round pick for 8 5th rounders.

You do realize that most players take a couple of years to develop, right? Receivers, especially, tend to take at least three seasons.

I'm fairly certain the idea of trading back in our case was that this team was almost entirely devoid of NFL-caliber players. Trading down and acquiring a bunch of draft capital, even if it means passing on a stud or two, allowed us to acquire quite a few guys who are NFL-caliber players to build out our roster. Then, this year, we didn't trade down with number one and took the consensus stud player on the board. You're not going to hit a home run with every pick, but if you're consistently drafting guys who are at least good in the first three or four rounds, eventually you'll have a solid team.

The problem is that we're trying to shit all over this process and reboot in year two when most of the guys that have been drafted are still developing.