Morris Claiborne Vs. Trent Richardson: pick a side

[AZ_]

The chance of a rookie Richardson being MUCH better than Hillis are 1 and a 100. In other words were not going to be any better than we were with Hillis. If you put pre injured AP on this team we still barely make the playoffs.

The best we can hope for is for Trent to be a great RB in 1-2 years. The browns get a few more prime talent picks.. then we can worry about winning.

Everyone gets all bent out of shape about winning now and its just not going to happen

lol wut?

 

[The Hill]

lol wut?

Don't worry. This thread has more straw men than a fucking corn field.

 

[Ghost Writer]

The chance of a rookie Richardson being MUCH better than Hillis are 1 and a 100. In other words were not going to be any better than we were with Hillis. If you put pre injured AP on this team we still barely make the playoffs.

The best we can hope for is for Trent to be a great RB in 1-2 years. The browns get a few more prime talent picks.. then we can worry about winning.

Everyone gets all bent out of shape about winning now and its just not going to happen

Well I guess if your talking about Quentin Richardson I could see that

 

[Noonan]

Here's Greg Cosell's first mock:

4. Cleveland: The Browns select my highest rated player, RB Trent Richardson. Richardson is a special runner, the best to enter the NFL since Adrian Peterson. Cleveland will not compete in the AFC North trying to outscore Pittsburgh, Baltimore, and Cincinnati. They will not sustain offense throwing the ball. They must shorten the game, limit the number of snaps their defense is on the field, and try to win 17-14. You need a foundation back to do that.

22. Cleveland: The pick here is LSU WR Rueben Randle. Having chosen Richardson at #4, the Browns now select the big (6’3”, 210 pounds) and athletic Randle. He pairs with another big WR, Greg Little, Cleveland’s second round pick a year ago, to give the Browns a young and physically imposing tandem that is a nice scheme fit in the Pat Shurmur/Brad Childress version of the West Coast offense. Randle, as I’ve said before, showed some similarities to the Giants’ Hakeem Nicks in terms of athletic movement and deceptive vertical speed. There were times watching tape I felt he was the quicker more athletic than both Justin Blackmon and Michael Floyd.

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

Today I'm on team Trent.

 

[*L-Train*]

Here's Greg Cosell's first mock:

also very interesting to see that he has 2 corners ranked higher than Claiborne:

3. Minnesota: The Vikings play in the same division with Aaron Rodgers, Matthew Stafford and Jay Cutler. You cannot compete in the NFC North without quality corner play. For the Vikings in 2012, a corner is more important than a left tackle. Minnesota takes the best corner prospect in this draft: South Carolina’s Stephon Gilmore. Gilmore has a chance to be a Charles Woodson type player down the road: athletic, physical and competitive, playing outside in the base defense and in the slot in the sub-packages.

5. Tampa Bay: Remember what I said about Minnesota. It applies to the Bucs as well. In the NFC South, they must defend Drew Brees, Matt Ryan and Cam Newton. If they expect to be competitive, they must cover on the perimeter. They select the best pure man-to-man cover corner in the draft, Janoris Jenkins. If you watched him at Florida in 2010 matched against AJ Green, Julio Jones and Alshon Jeffery, you know what I mean.

7. Jacksonville: The Jaguars select the third corner in the top 7 picks, Morris Claiborne. Claiborne played both press and off coverage at LSU, and he also played in the slot. Claiborne was more of a mirror or shadow press man corner, much like Champ Bailey has been in his career. Claiborne was a smooth efficient mover, but he was not as physical as Gilmore, and I don’t believe he provides the same slot versatility as a blitzer and run support defender.

also important to note (before people go berserk over ranking Jenkins that high):

Here it is – my first mock draft. A moment I will savor forever. Here’s how I am doing it: I will choose players based on my film study and my sense of team needs. I have no idea what different teams draft boards look like, nor will I try to speculate what a team might be thinking. The main objective of my mock is to further discuss the top players by putting them in a draft format. One other caveat: I am disregarding documented off-field problems, character issues, anything that is not a function of on-field play. I understand that teams significantly factor that into the equation, but I am solely basing my player evaluations on what’s on the tape. That’s what I do. I watch tape.

 

[Damage]

also very interesting to see that he has 2 corners ranked higher than Claiborne:




also important to note (before people go berserk over ranking Jenkins that high):

I will choose players based on my film study and my sense of team needs. I have no idea what different teams draft boards look like, nor will I try to speculate what a team might be thinking.

And...

I am disregarding documented off-field problems, character issues, anything that is not a function of on-field play. I understand that teams significantly factor that into the equation, but I am solely basing my player evaluations on what’s on the tape.

Combine those 2 quotes and what the hell is the point of doing a mock draft? The definition of mock is fake, pretend, assume.

 

[Pavlovic3Ball]

People love to forget that we had Practice Squad running backs all of last year when they hate on McCoy. Get a real running back in here next year I think people's tones start to change when it comes to McCoy.

And what if the tone doesn't change? What will the next excuse for Colt be?

 

[The Hill]

And...



Combine those 2 quotes and what the hell is the point of doing a mock draft? The definition of mock is fake, pretend, assume.

It's still a mock. It's just a mock based only on on-field ability. It's an interesting take on it. It shows you how far a guy like Jenkins can fall because his off-field issues are so concerning.

Everyone else has the same mock drafts with small variations. I like seeing a completely different slant on it.

 

[AZ_]

I think Colt will look much better with an adequate running game.

But with that said, the general point is that drafting players to make Colt look adequate is not the end game.

Hell either need to show improvement in his game, or be gone if the right opportunity arises.

 

[Pavlovic3Ball]

I think Colt will look much better with an adequate running game.

But with that said, the general point is that drafting players to make Colt look adequate is not the end game.

Hell either need to show improvement in his game, or be gone if the right opportunity arises.

I agree. I see no way Colt gets worse playing with Trent.

 

[polska2211]

people are quick to forget how worthless Hillis was this past year...

 

[cdt]

Today...

4 Trent 22 Stephen Hill or Randle unless a pass rusher is far and away better. 37. Maybe Hill or Randle lasts? If not I'd be fine with David Wilson, best DE maybe chandler jones, vinny curry. 3rd TY Hilton.

I really want to overdraft offense to where we have a solid nucleus and can have fun football to watch.

 

[polska2211]

First off, I agree and think this is a very good post. However, AP doesn't have Baltimore and Pittsburgh in his division. Those two teams are routinely ranked in the top 5 against the run. Add to that Cincinatti having a really good front 7 and run defense, I don't see ANY running back coming to this division and having that kind of an impact.

I was replying to Bimbo's post.

correct me if I'm wrong, but Ray Rice did mighty fine against Pittsburgh and Cincinnati this past year.

 

[The Hill]

Today...

4 Trent 22 Stephen Hill or Randle unless a pass rusher is far and away better. 37. Maybe Hill or Randle lasts? If not I'd be fine with David Wilson, best DE maybe chandler jones, vinny curry. 3rd TY Hilton.

I really want to overdraft offense to where we have a solid nucleus and can have fun football to watch.

I'm starting to sour on Hill. I know he played in an offense that didn't feature the pass heavily, but he seems like one of those workout wonders who shoots up the draft boards but ultimately does nothing in the NFL. I am getting a Mike Mamula vibe.