Net Neutrality

[Triplethreat]

Damn....

 

[TyGuy]

Gouri explained to you multiple times how throttling WAS an issue. Just because the regulations were put in place two years ago doesn't mean it's a new issue.

Most of the negative affects of this vote will be felt more than seen. It'll be the businesses and startups that don't make it because the playing field has been made less even. It will be artists missing the same opportunities. And it will be ISPs cashing in on exploiting this power at the loss of consumers and creators.

Oh he did? Maybe you can explain to me how it was because I don't recall it being an issue. Remember, this was only two years ago. Remember how shitty the internet was two years ago?

 

[Cavatt]

We’ve only had net neutrality laws for two years. These draconian practices that people fear will happen didn’t happen when they had the opportunity before.

What problem are you trying to fix exactly? There are no clear winning goals except we are going to increase competition. Right now small websites can compete with big ones, but this will likely hurt startups that cannot afford the fees ISP's will be charging and will create regional internet. Why would we want internet in the city to be better than in rural areas?

 

[TyGuy]

What problem are you trying to fix exactly? There are no clear winning goals except we are going to increase competition. Right now small websites can compete with big ones, but this will likely hurt startups that cannot afford the fees ISP's will be charging and will create regional internet. Why would we want internet in the city to be better than in rural areas?

I don't want innovation stiffed like which historically happened with government regulation. See the deregulation of telephones. I think long term classifying the internet as a public utility will stifle innovation, and we are far from an ideal internet at the moment.

 

[Cavatt]

I don't want innovation stiffed like which historically happened with government regulation. See the deregulation of telephones. I think long term classifying the internet as a public utility will stifle innovation, and we are far from an ideal internet at the moment.

That would make sense if most of the innovation on the internet happened at the ISP level. It doesn't. It happens at the app, and website level where all the startups are. After they repeal this all of the really large media companies will be stronger and all the startups will be weaker. It's the startups that are driving the innovation.

 

[TyGuy]

That would make sense if most of the innovation on the internet happened at the ISP level. It doesn't. It happens at the app, and website level where all the startups are. After they repeal this all of the really large media companies will be stronger and all the startups will be weaker. It's the startups that are driving the innovation.

There is plenty of innovation to be had at both the software and infrastructure level.

 

[TyGuy]

F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules
By CECILIA KANGDEC. 14, 2017

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WASHINGTON — The Federal Communications Commission voted on Thursday to dismantle landmark rules regulating the businesses that connect consumers to the internet, granting broadband companies power to potentially reshape Americans’ online experiences.

The agency scrapped so-called net neutrality regulations that prohibited broadband providers from blocking websites or charging for higher-quality service or certain content. The federal government will also no longer regulate high-speed internet delivery as if it were a utility, like phone services.

The action reversed the agency’s 2015 decision, during the Obama administration, to better protect Americans as they have migrated to the internet for most communications.

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Ajit Pai, the chairman of the commission, said the rollback of the rules would eventually help consumers because broadband providers like AT&T and Comcast could offer people a wider variety of service options. Mr. Pai was joined in the 3-to-2 vote by his two fellow Republican commissioners.

“We are helping consumers and promoting competition,” Mr. Pai said before the vote. “Broadband providers will have more incentive to build networks, especially to underserved areas.”

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Thank goodness Hillary, the 'corporatist,' didn't get elected. Even though her appointments to the FCC probably wouldn't have scraped net...

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Does this mean Evan will stop bugging me in my inbox?Most of these ranting people, up in arms, all should have just voted and voted...

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The discarding of net neutrality regulations is the most significant and controversial action by the F.C.C. under Mr. Pai. In his first 11 months as chairman, he has lifted media ownership limits, eased caps on how much broadband providers can charge business customers and cut back on a low-income broadband program that was slated to be expanded to nationwide carriers.

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His plan, first outlined early this year, set off a flurry of opposition. Critics of the changes say consumers may have more difficulty finding content online and that start-ups will have to pay to reach consumers. In the last week, there have been hundreds of protests across the country, and many websites have encouraged users to speak up against the repeal. Some groups have said they planned to file a lawsuit challenging the change.

“I dissent, because I am among the millions outraged,” said Mignon Clyburn, one of the two Democratic commissioners who voted against the action. “Outraged, because the F.C.C. pulls its own teeth, abdicating responsibility to protect the nation’s broadband consumers.”

During Mr. Pai’s speech before the vote, security guards entered the meeting room at the F.C.C. and told everyone to evacuate the room. They did not offer details but demanded that attendees leave until the room was cleared. Commissioners were ushered out a separate back door. The hearing restarted a short time later.

Despite all the uproar, it is unclear how much will change for internet users. The rules were essentially a protective measure, largely meant to prevent telecom companies from favoring some sites over others. And major telecom companies have promised consumers that their experiences online would not change.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/14/technology/net-neutrality-repeal-vote.html

 

[-Akronite-]

I don't want innovation stiffed like which historically happened with government regulation. See the deregulation of telephones. I think long term classifying the internet as a public utility will stifle innovation, and we are far from an ideal internet at the moment.

The powers they are granting don't solve the problems you have, they create new ones.

Oh he did? Maybe you can explain to me how it was because I don't recall it being an issue. Remember, this was only two years ago. Remember how shitty the internet was two years ago?

I won't, because you'll simply ignore what I say just like you ignored what he said. It's a pointless exercise.

For anyone that isn't aware, there were several cases of throttling issues coming up in the past. The FCC dealt with these case by case and down the line it came to a head which led to the net neutrality regulations.

The ISPs, Pai, and TyGuy apparently will try to tell you that this is somehow allowing innovation and restoring the internet away from government overreach. But NN was preserving the status quo of the internet, which is what we wanted, equal access.

I believe we can do more to innovate on the infrastructure level as well, but was that going great up until two years ago and then halted by NN regulations? No.

 

[inliner311]

Oh he did? Maybe you can explain to me how it was because I don't recall it being an issue. Remember, this was only two years ago. Remember how shitty the internet was two years ago?

The way we watch TV has changed in the last two years and it has evolved to include the internet alot more.

Two years ago, ESPN was so confident in their subscriber base that they made huge bids for the NBA, Monday Night Football, and even the MLS. They didn't really have anyone competing to steal them away but they overpaid to make sure they kept them. We are now seeing ESPN subscriber base shrink because of cord cutting. They are laying off a couple hundred people ever 6 months because of those contracts they overpaid for.

Net Neutrality is a big factor in that. Netflix, Amazon, and Hulu have been able to put money into content instead paying out to ISPs. Companies like Hulu Live, YouTube tv, etc have all come up in that two years to compete directly with cable companies. How much will ISPs demand to carry that content to consumers? Alot of that stuff wasn't taking up the bandwidth it is now vs two years ago.

The big reason we need fiber and other forms of gigbit internet is because of video content. Nothing else takes up the bandwidth that it does.

 

[Cavatt]

F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules
By CECILIA KANGDEC. 14, 2017

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WASHINGTON — The Federal Communications Commission voted on Thursday to dismantle landmark rules regulating the businesses that connect consumers to the internet, granting broadband companies power to potentially reshape Americans’ online experiences.

The agency scrapped so-called net neutrality regulations that prohibited broadband providers from blocking websites or charging for higher-quality service or certain content. The federal government will also no longer regulate high-speed internet delivery as if it were a utility, like phone services.

The action reversed the agency’s 2015 decision, during the Obama administration, to better protect Americans as they have migrated to the internet for most communications.

Technology By AARON BYRD and NATALIA V. OSIPOVA 00:48
What Is Net Neutrality?
Video
What Is Net Neutrality?
The F.C.C. voted to dismantle rules that require internet providers to give consumers equal access to all content online. Here’s how net neutrality works.

By AARON BYRD and NATALIA V. OSIPOVA on Publish Date November 21, 2017. Photo by Michael Bocchieri/Getty Images. Watch in Times Video »

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Ajit Pai, the chairman of the commission, said the rollback of the rules would eventually help consumers because broadband providers like AT&T and Comcast could offer people a wider variety of service options. Mr. Pai was joined in the 3-to-2 vote by his two fellow Republican commissioners.

“We are helping consumers and promoting competition,” Mr. Pai said before the vote. “Broadband providers will have more incentive to build networks, especially to underserved areas.”

Continue reading the main story
Related Coverage

• 
  
  Net Neutrality Repeal: What Could Happen and How It Could Affect You NOV. 21, 2017
• 
  
  Ajit Pai Nears His Biggest Win With Net Neutrality Repeal DEC. 13, 2017
• 
  
  Net Neutrality Protests Move Online, Yet Big Tech Is Quiet DEC. 12, 2017
• 
  
  Net Neutrality Hits a Nerve, Eliciting Intense Reactions NOV. 28, 2017

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Michael Tyndall
1 minute ago
Thank goodness Hillary, the 'corporatist,' didn't get elected. Even though her appointments to the FCC probably wouldn't have scraped net...

Ignatius J. Reilly
1 minute ago
Does this mean Evan will stop bugging me in my inbox?Most of these ranting people, up in arms, all should have just voted and voted...

Jerry Kolb
1 minute ago
My question is whether they will block all of us as we organize online to storm the castle.

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The discarding of net neutrality regulations is the most significant and controversial action by the F.C.C. under Mr. Pai. In his first 11 months as chairman, he has lifted media ownership limits, eased caps on how much broadband providers can charge business customers and cut back on a low-income broadband program that was slated to be expanded to nationwide carriers.

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His plan, first outlined early this year, set off a flurry of opposition. Critics of the changes say consumers may have more difficulty finding content online and that start-ups will have to pay to reach consumers. In the last week, there have been hundreds of protests across the country, and many websites have encouraged users to speak up against the repeal. Some groups have said they planned to file a lawsuit challenging the change.

“I dissent, because I am among the millions outraged,” said Mignon Clyburn, one of the two Democratic commissioners who voted against the action. “Outraged, because the F.C.C. pulls its own teeth, abdicating responsibility to protect the nation’s broadband consumers.”

During Mr. Pai’s speech before the vote, security guards entered the meeting room at the F.C.C. and told everyone to evacuate the room. They did not offer details but demanded that attendees leave until the room was cleared. Commissioners were ushered out a separate back door. The hearing restarted a short time later.

Despite all the uproar, it is unclear how much will change for internet users. The rules were essentially a protective measure, largely meant to prevent telecom companies from favoring some sites over others. And major telecom companies have promised consumers that their experiences online would not change.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/14/technology/net-neutrality-repeal-vote.html

What do you think he means by more serice options? It means you can pay for just email, just websites, or just streamin, or just gaming. Add them all up if you use all of them, and your bill is much higher.

It is the same thing with repealing the ACA. They want to repeal the ACA "to offer more options" meaning shittier options that don't cover anything if something really bad happens.

 

[TyGuy]

So why should netflix hog all the bandwidth and pay the same as everybody else?

 

[Triplethreat]

There is certainly some benefits to deregulation here... as well as downsides. Just as there is with EVERY decision like this.

Only time will tell which outweighs the other.

 

[TyGuy]

What do you think he means by more serice options? It means you can pay for just email, just websites, or just streamin, or just gaming. Add them all up if you use all of them, and your bill is much higher.

It is the same thing with repealing the ACA. They want to repeal the ACA "to offer more options" meaning shittier options that don't cover anything if something really bad happens.

Remember when we paid separate for all those services three years ago? That sucked didn't it?

 

[inliner311]

What do you think he means by more serice options? It means you can pay for just email, just websites, or just streamin, or just gaming. Add them all up if you use all of them, and your bill is much higher.

It is the same thing with repealing the ACA. They want to repeal the ACA "to offer more options" meaning shittier options that don't cover anything if something really bad happens.

I think people fail to see they will end up pay more on the back end. Netflix will go up because the big 3 ISPs will demand more money from them. Amazon prime will too. Hulu might not because the stakes Comcast and At&t have in it.

Facebook and Instagram will have more ads. YouTube will have longer commericals.

 

[Stark]

I think people fail to see they will end up pay more on the back end. Netflix will go up because the big 3 ISPs will demand more money from them. Amazon prime will too. Hulu might not because the stakes Comcast and At&t have in it.

Facebook and Instagram will have more ads. YouTube will have longer commericals.

Thank God for adBlocker. Only site I don't use it on is RCF.