Oden

[miller810]

Re: Oden (Cavs expected to offer contract after trade deadline)

I would rather sign speights long term and forget about this headache.

 

[Randolphkeys]

Re: Oden (Cavs expected to offer contract after trade deadline)

If the Cavs wanted to raise the value of their cap space in potential trades, mission accomplished. If a team balks at the Cavs ' asking price in trades, they can counter with the risk of losing leverage in the Oden bidding.

 

[cdt]

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LeBron would instantly look 15 years younger standing next to Greg Oden. If he wants the money and years he'll come here if he wants to play on a title contender he'll go there.

 

[Zone]

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pr26 is asking what options the Cavs if they use all of their cap space before the trade deadline. Can they then use the regular MLE (not the Room MLE for teams below the cap)?

I know that teams over the cap can use their exceptions (including the MLE) at any point during the year, and they start to pro-rate. We've discussed this before when free agents became available through waivers late in the year. But I am not sure on whether you can activate those exceptions by using all of your salary space mid-year.

One thing Coon mentions is:

"A team's exceptions may be lost entirely, or the team may never receive them to begin with. This happens when their team salary is so low that when the exceptions are added to the team salary, the sum is still below the salary cap. If this happens when the exceptions arise, then the team doesn't get their exceptions at all. If the team salary ever drops below this level during the year, then any unused portions of their exceptions are lost (and do not return if the team salary increases). "

I don't know if the Cavs were ever at that point before taking on Speights.

I believe the Cavs had to renounce the regular MLE to get enough cap space to float the Speights deal.

Correct.

Probably, but the room MLE only allows for a two year contract, though.

"ROOM MID-LEVEL EXCEPTION This exception becomes available once the team salary drops far enough that the team loses its other exceptions, and expires following the last day of the regular season."

"Starting January 10 (February 10 in 2011-12) of each season, the Mid-Level (Non-Taxpayer, Taxpayer and Room), Bird (Larry Bird, Early Bird and Non-Bird) and Bi-Annual exceptions begin to pro-rate[SUP]2[/SUP] (reduce in value)."

"The Traded Player and Disabled Player exceptions do not pro-rate this manner. The Minimum Salary exception also pro-rates, beginning on the first day of the regular season."

No mention of the room level exception pro-rating

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q26

Starting January 10 (February 10 in 2011-12) of each season, the Mid-Level (Non-Taxpayer, Taxpayer and Room), Bird (Larry Bird, Early Bird and Non-Bird) and Bi-Annual exceptions begin to pro-rate2 (reduce in value). For example, if there are 170 days in the season, then these exceptions (if they are still unused) reduce by 1/170 of their initial value each day starting January 10. If a team uses its $5 million Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level exception on February 1, then the exception is actually worth 23/170 less, or $4,323,529.

It would be pretty bizarre if it was Harangody's guaranteed money that prevent the Cavs from getting Oden.

Azubuike, Harangody, Pargo, Samrdo, Michal Eric, Sloan are all dead money against the cap for the rest of the year

 

[Just Checkin]

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I really got to hand it to Grant for this one if he can pull this off.

Such an astute businessman. I'm really liking the direction of this team and there are still a myriad of options available. Rejoice, guys.

 

[B Mac]

Re: Oden (Cavs expected to offer contract after trade deadline)

Since the word is out almost 2 weeks in advance..........it probably doesn't happen.

Well to be fair, this news was broken in S34 several weeks ago as well. Sometimes where there's smoke there actually is fire.

 

[buzzdog]

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This might be a dumb question :gap:

Have any of these athletes with ruined knees ever tried joint replacement and rehabbed enough to play their sport? I think Bo Jackson may have had a run after hip replacement.

You read about guys going through micro-fracture surgery over and over again. I know joint replacement is a brutal process but I know people who have had it, even people in their 30's, who say it completely changed their lives for the better. It seems like a physically gifted guy like Oden would be a perfect candidate. I don't know if it's one or both knees with him. But it seems he could have had titanium put in and rehabbed by now in less time and possibly better results than numerous micro-fracture surgeries?

I'm just wondering if anyone has any actual knowledge about why it doesn't seem to be an option for otherwise elite athletes who have rotten knee joints?

 

[UMiami Canes2]

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Maybe if the Cavs sign Oden it'll be one of those stories of him not working out before then coming to Cleveland and becoming a legend. Haha, maybe I'm being too optimistic, but Cleveland teams have let go of players before and they've become stars elsewhere. Maybe it's our turn for that type of story. Ha, who knows!

 

[The Voice]

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LeBron would instantly look 15 years younger standing next to Greg Oden. If he wants the money and years he'll come here if he wants to play on a title contender he'll go there.

Not if his son tells him he's returning.

 

[6.19.2016]

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I just find this latest development hard to believe when Chris Grant decided not to take a risk on Brandon Roy or Bynum, or even a healthier "risk" like Humphries last year.

 

[Just Checkin]

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I just find this latest development hard to believe when Chris Grant decided not to take a risk on Brandon Roy or Bynum, or even a healthier "risk" like Humphries last year.

Humphries makes too much money.

Brandon Roy's knees are actually worse than Oden's.

 

[The Voice]

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Kardashian sucks.

 

[Hydroponic3385]

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I just find this latest development hard to believe when Chris Grant decided not to take a risk on Brandon Roy or Bynum, or even a healthier "risk" like Humphries last year.

Humphries just got paid $12 million/year. Uh, no thanks.

Bynum would have cost a lot via trade. Oden would only cost Gilbert some $$ for a year and a half if he doesn't work out (without us giving up any assets, cap space in 2014 and beyond, etc.).

Roy, although a better comparison, has no cartilage in his knees. And maybe the Cavs were interested in him, but weren't willing to offer him as much as Minny (or as many guaranteed years as Roy was looking for)? Or were interested in him, but Oden being a big is more intriguing than Roy being a guard?

 

[Cavatt]

Re: Oden (Cavs expected to offer contract after trade deadline)

This might be a dumb question :gap:

Have any of these athletes with ruined knees ever tried joint replacement and rehabbed enough to play their sport? I think Bo Jackson may have had a run after hip replacement.

You read about guys going through micro-fracture surgery over and over again. I know joint replacement is a brutal process but I know people who have had it, even people in their 30's, who say it completely changed their lives for the better. It seems like a physically gifted guy like Oden would be a perfect candidate. I don't know if it's one or both knees with him. But it seems he could have had titanium put in and rehabbed by now in less time and possibly better results than numerous micro-fracture surgeries?

I'm just wondering if anyone has any actual knowledge about why it doesn't seem to be an option for otherwise elite athletes who have rotten knee joints?

First I am not a doctor. My mom had a hip replacement and they make these joints out oif very tough materials, but I am pretty sure they are unable to withstand as severe impacts as your natural body would. Plus it is essentially a spike shoved into your bone, so you lose more bone every time they replace it. Which is why you are only supposed to have a replacement joint replaced just once. They often make you wait until a certain age because they last between 10-20 years and they worry you will outlast the second one . I imagine you would have to replace it more often as a pro athlete, but I doubt that the artificial joint could even keep up or have the range of movement necessary.

My mom's new hip is like a new lease on life because the pain is so intense once you need the joint replaced. However, she isn't good as new, she is way better than broken.

 

[Baseline Runner]

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Man if Oden turns out alright (not necessarily a star but a decent big), plus we get Varejao back next year, plus Speights, plus a continuously improving TT, we could have an incredibly deep and talented front line.