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You can probably do 4.3/4/3.7 roughly, but that would be as extreme as you could go.
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Plans for Cap Space in Summer 2013
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You can probably do 4.3/4/3.7 roughly, but that would be as extreme as you could go.
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Here's Bob Finnan's take on the Cavs' off-season plans (published March 3rd):
Interesting that Finnan doesn't seem to think the Cavs will retain Speights. I appreciate Speights' weaknesses, but I am very nervous about going into next season with Thompson, Zeller, Varejao (who cannot be counted on), and maybe Oden, maybe a rookie (neither of whom can be counted on) manning the front court if we are really trying to make the playoffs. Yeah, I guess we can roll with Luke Walton playing major minutes at the 4 again.
And no we aren't going to be able to sign a decent PF/C on a one year contract by overpaying him $8M or whatever. Maybe CG can work his magic and make another serviceable big appear by absorbing some salary (preferably on contract that expires in 2014). Maybe someone will scour the rosters to find a player who fits the bill?
(This is sort of off-topic, but Scott's increasing preference for playing some version of small ball -- even when the opposing team is playing two legitimate bigs -- is a bit annoying. Sorry, I like my bigs to be big, not wings masquerading as PFs. I know, Scott isn't alone in doing this.)
I think it is a foregone conclusion the Cavs try to bring back both Walton and Livingston. Even Walton haters have to admit at this point that he has been an asset on the court, as has Livingston, in addition to the veteran presence in the locker room. The two also play well together. However, I would only offer one year deals to both. You can offer significantly more than the minimum since the Cavs will be well under the lower end of the salary cap.
Ellington is an interesting case. My current thinking is extend the QO with the goal to re-sign him as FA in 2014, cap space permitting. That said, there may be a good reason that it would make sense, from a cap perspective, to sign him to a multi-year contract, if they can lock him into a reasonable annual salary. Not sure if a "Gee-type contract" is "reasonable" (read: low) enough though. If the Cavs don't re-sign Speights, I guess they will have the money available. I'd just rather see them spend money on a big than another fairly mediocre wing player, especially if they draft a wing.
Interesting that Finnan doesn't seem to think the Cavs will retain Speights. I appreciate Speights' weaknesses, but I am very nervous about going into next season with Thompson, Zeller, Varejao (who cannot be counted on), and maybe Oden, maybe a rookie (neither of whom can be counted on) manning the front court if we are really trying to make the playoffs. Yeah, I guess we can roll with Luke Walton playing major minutes at the 4 again.
And no we aren't going to be able to sign a decent PF/C on a one year contract by overpaying him $8M or whatever. Maybe CG can work his magic and make another serviceable big appear by absorbing some salary (preferably on contract that expires in 2014). Maybe someone will scour the rosters to find a player who fits the bill?
(This is sort of off-topic, but Scott's increasing preference for playing some version of small ball -- even when the opposing team is playing two legitimate bigs -- is a bit annoying. Sorry, I like my bigs to be big, not wings masquerading as PFs. I know, Scott isn't alone in doing this.)
I think it is a foregone conclusion the Cavs try to bring back both Walton and Livingston. Even Walton haters have to admit at this point that he has been an asset on the court, as has Livingston, in addition to the veteran presence in the locker room. The two also play well together. However, I would only offer one year deals to both. You can offer significantly more than the minimum since the Cavs will be well under the lower end of the salary cap.
Ellington is an interesting case. My current thinking is extend the QO with the goal to re-sign him as FA in 2014, cap space permitting. That said, there may be a good reason that it would make sense, from a cap perspective, to sign him to a multi-year contract, if they can lock him into a reasonable annual salary. Not sure if a "Gee-type contract" is "reasonable" (read: low) enough though. If the Cavs don't re-sign Speights, I guess they will have the money available. I'd just rather see them spend money on a big than another fairly mediocre wing player, especially if they draft a wing.
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Watching the clippers I don't think they are ready to compete for the championship, and Chris Paul is a free agent. Should be interesting if they get jettisoned early what paul decides. Griffin hasn't become one of the best players in the league. Paul may look at his other options. I wonder if the cavs could have the cap space and assets to aquire Chris Paul AND Dwight Howard this off season?
figure if the lakers fail to make the play offs and the clippers get jettisoned early they will probably want to play together somewhere.
Irving and Paul would be a small back court but with howard protecting the rim who cares?
figure if the lakers fail to make the play offs and the clippers get jettisoned early they will probably want to play together somewhere.
Irving and Paul would be a small back court but with howard protecting the rim who cares?
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wake up from a nap to see that retarted idea posted....well back to bed
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Al Jefferson would be a great fit but he isn't signing any 1 yr deals anytime soon, he would probably be looking at a 5yr 60million type deal.
Signing him or a guy like Pekovic would bring low post offense but they both will no doubt be overpaid and hinder our cap space.
I'd like us to Resign Livingston, Walton to cheap 1 yr deals. Let Boobie Gibson, Casspi walk
Pickup team option on CJ Miles and extend qualifying to Ellington...2 guys that can give you some outside shooting
Decline option on Selby, Let Speights walk and get an overpaid Brandon Bass like deal that the team will regret exactly like the Celtics do.
Draft - Alex Len. Won't be thrown into the fire right away with Varejao healthy. Can develop into a better, much more athletic version of Nikola Vucevic.
With the Lakers pick assuming they are in the playoffs, target a developmental small forward. Assuming guys like Porter, Shabazz, Oladipo are gone
Glenn Robinson - Has some question marks, but can defend and hit shots might not come out
LeBryan Nash - Has solid potential, 14,4,2 relatively young raw player
James McAdoo - Pure tweener, might turn into a productive guy on the bench
Alex Poythress - Like McAdoo lots of preseason hyped hasn't lived up to any of it.
Tony Mitchell - Don't see him playing on perimiter, can't shoot. More of a run and jump athlete
Doug McDermott - Probably will be limited to as a shooting specialist
Free Agency target a small forward that can bring you the exact type of production a guy like Otto Porter would
1. Earl Clark - Will get a decent offer, LA might not beable to pay with all the salary they have.
2. Corey Brewer - Great in transition, can hit 3's. Terrific defender
3. Al Farauq Aminu - Still only 22. Not a scorer but rebounds at a high rate for SF. No reason for the Pelicans lol to let him go
Best Case Sign Earl Clark 4 years 20million..the money not spent on Speights makes up for this
Worst Case sign Corey Brewer for 1yr 3million
For some depth throw a cheap 1 yr offer to Dejuan Blair. He isn't going to be getting JJ Hickson or Speights money but can offer potentially similar production. 1yr 2-4million at the absolute most
C. Anderson Varejao/Alex Len/Tyler Zeller
F. Tristan Thompson/Dejuan Blair/Luke Walton
F. Earl Clark/Alonzo Gee/Rookie/Luke Walton
G. Dion Waiters/CJ Miles/Wayne Ellington
G. Kyrie Irving/Shaun Livingston/2nd rounder
Notice our reserves and 12th men are Tyler Zeller, Walton, a rookie first and Wayne Ellington. > Dleague talent
One injury and we are not stuck playing guys who should be in a YMCA rec league.
Look at really good young teams like OKC for example, Reggie Jackson, Jeremy Lamb talented but at the end of the bench because of how deep they are.
Signing him or a guy like Pekovic would bring low post offense but they both will no doubt be overpaid and hinder our cap space.
I'd like us to Resign Livingston, Walton to cheap 1 yr deals. Let Boobie Gibson, Casspi walk
Pickup team option on CJ Miles and extend qualifying to Ellington...2 guys that can give you some outside shooting
Decline option on Selby, Let Speights walk and get an overpaid Brandon Bass like deal that the team will regret exactly like the Celtics do.
Draft - Alex Len. Won't be thrown into the fire right away with Varejao healthy. Can develop into a better, much more athletic version of Nikola Vucevic.
With the Lakers pick assuming they are in the playoffs, target a developmental small forward. Assuming guys like Porter, Shabazz, Oladipo are gone
Glenn Robinson - Has some question marks, but can defend and hit shots might not come out
LeBryan Nash - Has solid potential, 14,4,2 relatively young raw player
James McAdoo - Pure tweener, might turn into a productive guy on the bench
Alex Poythress - Like McAdoo lots of preseason hyped hasn't lived up to any of it.
Tony Mitchell - Don't see him playing on perimiter, can't shoot. More of a run and jump athlete
Doug McDermott - Probably will be limited to as a shooting specialist
Free Agency target a small forward that can bring you the exact type of production a guy like Otto Porter would
1. Earl Clark - Will get a decent offer, LA might not beable to pay with all the salary they have.
2. Corey Brewer - Great in transition, can hit 3's. Terrific defender
3. Al Farauq Aminu - Still only 22. Not a scorer but rebounds at a high rate for SF. No reason for the Pelicans lol to let him go
Best Case Sign Earl Clark 4 years 20million..the money not spent on Speights makes up for this
Worst Case sign Corey Brewer for 1yr 3million
For some depth throw a cheap 1 yr offer to Dejuan Blair. He isn't going to be getting JJ Hickson or Speights money but can offer potentially similar production. 1yr 2-4million at the absolute most
C. Anderson Varejao/Alex Len/Tyler Zeller
F. Tristan Thompson/Dejuan Blair/Luke Walton
F. Earl Clark/Alonzo Gee/Rookie/Luke Walton
G. Dion Waiters/CJ Miles/Wayne Ellington
G. Kyrie Irving/Shaun Livingston/2nd rounder
Notice our reserves and 12th men are Tyler Zeller, Walton, a rookie first and Wayne Ellington. > Dleague talent
One injury and we are not stuck playing guys who should be in a YMCA rec league.
Look at really good young teams like OKC for example, Reggie Jackson, Jeremy Lamb talented but at the end of the bench because of how deep they are.
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Trying to get back to reality....here is The Bullshit Whisperer's take on the Cavs' plans with respect to their current roster (from his chat earlier today):
Earlier in the chat, he said he liked the idea of bringing Walton back next year.
http://www.foxsportsohio.com/03/06/13/Talkin-Cavs-transcript---chat-with-Sam-A/landing_cavaliers.html?blockID=874429&feedID=3561
Earlier in the chat, he said he liked the idea of bringing Walton back next year.
http://www.foxsportsohio.com/03/06/13/Talkin-Cavs-transcript---chat-with-Sam-A/landing_cavaliers.html?blockID=874429&feedID=3561
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The Bullshit Whisperer is a tool.....
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This is exactly what I can't stand about The Bullshit Whisperer. He doesn't have any great insight on what the Cavs are doing any more than the standard fan. His "educated guess" about what the Cavs starting 5 will be next year doesn't have any reasoning behind it. On what basis does he think Speights will be back? Is he going to pick up his player option? Is he going to opt out and we're going to sign him to a new contract? I find it interesting that he says either Ellington or Miles won't be back, considering Ellington has a qualifying offer that we are definitely going to extend, and Miles has a cheap team option that we're probably going to pick up just to get over the salary floor. The fact that he forgot Varejao altogether is maddening to me. I would trust the opinion of a lot of people on this forum as to what the Cavs starting 5 will be over his.
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Starting 5 if nothing major is done other than the draft ideally for me is Kyrie,Dion,Porter,TT,and Andy.........Livingston,Ellington,Gee,Miles,Zeller,drafted big...maybe Gobert and let him develop or try to get Cauley Stein
