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What best describes your attitude towards officiating so far?

  • Referees have done a good job so far in the playoffs.

    Votes: 1 0.4%

  • Referees have missed a few calls (like they always will) but I'm not too concerned about it.

    Votes: 23 10.2%

  • Referees have been inconsistent mostly.

    Votes: 62 27.6%

  • Referees have been dictating the pace of the game and officiating has been poor.

    Votes: 139 61.8%
  • Total voters
    225
  • Poll closed .
Couple of questions:
1. what was the line on yesterday's game? I think missing the foul on the inbounds play and the hold on Kyrie the next time reduced our margin of final victory and were obvious calls. It would be interesting if the line was 8 or more.
2. do players have any say in the ratings of officials? If not, note to LeBron and the rest of the players association - 2016 negotiations need to include discussion of a player rating of officials. Players should not be subject to this level of incompetence.
 
ThirdWorld said:
Go check the replay and see if it's this guy who most of the time wont call any fouls committed on LeBron.

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If it is, now you know he's the worst ref in the league and REMEMBER HIS FUCKING FACE AND EXPECT MORE NON CALLS IN FUTURE CAVS GAMES.
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That guy is on the take. A total criminal. He was the guy staring at the inbounds play, without calling anything.
 
I just don't know why a sub-.500 team about to get swept out of the playoffs was getting any slack from the refs when the physicality was already out of hand. Sure, I get that the NBA doesn't make as much money with a 4-game series, but even the refs couldn't save the C's from their terrible shooting.
 
We'reAllKyrieWitnesses said:
I don't know if any of you have been following Stevens' career, but this is how he was able to reach 2 National Championships. His players will use any and all underhanded physical tactics to gain an advantage. The amazing part is the degree to which he has some apparent mind control over referees -- to the point that they just don't call them on their sh$%.

BTW, I don't know if you were aware of this, but it was just that kind of play by Butler's Matt Howard that led to Kyrie's toe injury in 2010 that, for all intents and purposes, ended his college career.
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Brad Stevens is forever on my sh*t-list, that smarmy f*ck.
 
I'm probably in the minority, but I think the officiating should just be much tighter. Blow more whistles early and guys will stop fouling so much, don't let the physicality build and build. A team's strategy shouldn't be that they will commit so many violations of the rules that the refs won't dare call all of them. Which is what teams mean when they say they are going to play physically.

Call more flagrant fouls. Just grabbing and pulling on a guy's arm is not a basketball play. It is unnecessary. If Olynyk can't box out correctly, as his teammates claim, he should be getting called for making unnecessary plays.
Crowder fouling J.R. is another good example. Call the foul and nobody gets hurt. Instead the refs just let it go, over and over.
In what world was Perkins foul on Crowder not worth an ejection? They just let it build and build.

Fouls per a game in the last five seasons are the lowest five seasons in the history of the league, so there is no reason that the NBA officiating can't tighten things up a bit and still have a viable product.
 
thoughtful said:
Couple of questions:
1. what was the line on yesterday's game? I think missing the foul on the inbounds play and the hold on Kyrie the next time reduced our margin of final victory and were obvious calls. It would be interesting if the line was 8 or more.
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I'm not positive, but I wanna say I remember the line was 7.5 or 8. :chuckle:
 
Refs have missed a bunch of calls, but I would pay real money for the ability to hide posts complaining about the officials. Especially in game threads.
 
If the refs were making calls favoring the home team, I get that; but they were not. The game 1 refs heavily slanted calls in favor of the Celtics. LeBron was getting hammered before as a Cav without calls (think the 2007 Detroit series, games 1 and 2) and then he went to Miami and touch fouls were called when he went to the lane. Now that he's returned to Cleveland, he again gets hammered with no calls. Why?

I think it's time for lawyers for the fans to get involved. I believe fans should file unfair and deceptive trade practices act, fraud and other consumer claims as a class action and start deposing the refs, the head of refs and Adam Silver. During the deposition, I'd ask why the refs called a foul on this play, but not on another play that was worse, why Kelly was not tossed or T'd up, why fouls depended on the color of the uniform, and why, on the out of bound plays, the Boston player was allowed to foul LeBron out of bounds, why Boston players were allowed to grab Kyrie's jersey, hold back other players, etc. If the anwser is, because we missed it, I'd ask why are there so many more misses for one team but not the other? I'd depose Tim Donagy, that ref who went to prison and wrote a tell all book.

I'd ask about disipline and communications these refs had prior to the game and with whom, how refs are assigned and by whom and why Vegas uses the information on who is reffing a game to adjust their point spread. I'd ask why a convicted tax evader was placed in charge of all NBA refs.

I believe once these suits started happening, the refs will clean up their act but only after paying fans millions of dollars for what I believe is clearly a farce.

I believe it's time for fans to have their day in Court.
 
The refs are becoming
More and more wwe like. You have these exaggerated defensive block and offensive foul calls where they exaggerate their motions, then you have guys that are distracting refs so they miss cheap shots and fouls. I'm just waiting for a ref to be taken out and then some mysterious guy comes out of the back to join one of the teams to make it 6 on 5.
 
Redzone said:
why Vegas uses the information on who is reffing a game to adjust their point spread
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Well, that one at least is easy to explain. Referee tendencies have been charted and they are not consistent across the board. Some refs blow their whistle more than others, some refs favor the home team more than other, etc, etc.

Since Vegas accepts bets on whether the combined score of a game will be over or under a certain level, the frequency of calls makes a difference, because it tends to effect scoring.

Post-Donaghy the NBA decided to release this information so those privy to the ref schedules wouldn't have an advantage.
 
Jon said:
Well, that one at least is easy to explain. Referee tendencies have been charted and they are not consistent across the board. Some refs blow their whistle more than others, some refs favor the home team more than other, etc, etc.

Since Vegas accepts bets on whether the combined score of a game will be over or under a certain level, the frequency of calls makes a difference, because it tends to effect scoring.

Post-Donaghy the NBA decided to release this information so those privy to the ref schedules wouldn't have an advantage.
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Actually, post-Donaghy, one of several referee-related rule changes that were made: the announcement of referees of a game was moved from 90 minutes before tip-off to the morning of the game, to reduce the value of the information to gamblers, per Wikipedia.

More Donaghy stuff, which is interesting to review in light of how the Boston series was called:

"On June 10, 2008, Donaghy's attorney filed a court document alleging, among other things, that Game 6 of the 2002 Western Conference Finals between the Los Angeles Lakers and Sacramento Kings was fixed by two referees. The letter states that Donaghy "learned from Referee A that Referees A and F wanted to extend the series to seven games. Tim knew Referees A and F to be 'company men', always acting in the interest of the NBA, and that night, it was in the NBA's interest to add another game to the series."[39] The Lakers won Game 6, attempting 18 more free throws than the Kings in the fourth quarter, and went on to win the 2002 NBA Finals. The teams were not named, but the Western Conference Finals was the only seven-game series that year.[40] The document claimed that Donaghy told federal agents that to increase television ratings and ticket sales, "top executives of the NBA sought to manipulate games using referees".[39] It also said that NBA officials would tell referees to not call technical fouls on certain players, and states that a referee was privately reprimanded by the league for ejecting a star player in the first quarter of a January 2000 game.[39"
Tim Donaghy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
All I know was that was some funky officiating on Sunday. Not funky like George Clinton, no. It was funky like a strange soft cheese that was left on the shelf too long.

I hope they take some of those guys off playoff games for a couple years.
 
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