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[Pioneer10]

From hells heart I stab at anyone who thinks Cumberbatch came close to creating a cultural icon like Montalbon's Khan

 

[Adam]

In fact the only thing Cumberbatch does well as kahn is a pretty similar rage face as Montalbon has in ST2

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Montalban's Khan also would have kicked the shit out of Cumberbatch's. He was still a stud in his 60's.

 

[KI4MVP]

To be fair to Cumberbatch, they aren't really playing the same role. In ST2, the whole movie is about Kahn's revenge on Kirk and the enterprise after their previous encounter in TOS and the years of rage that followed. In Into Darkness, there was no previous history and no years of pent up rage.

 

[brownindian]

To be fair to Cumberbatch, they aren't really playing the same role. In ST2, the whole movie is about Kahn's revenge on Kirk and the enterprise after their previous encounter in TOS and the years of rage that followed. In Into Darkness, there was no previous history and no years of pent up rage.

I understand what you are sayin, But I feel like Cumberbatch had no where the screen charisma that Montalban had while playing Khan and it is not his fault. In the Wrath of Khan you look at Mantalban and you just feel ' Damn - This dude is bad news', He has the physical presence, physique and the persona to be the villain that the movie is titled after. If the same movie was redid with Cumberbatch as Khan I dont think he would have no where near the same impact as Montalban did.

 

[brownindian]

I try to pretend Into Darkness never happened.

I think if you are a true Trekkie or a fan of the old film it is a very fair sentiment. I feel like the new one as a stand alone film is watch-able and I enjoyed the performance of Peter Weller a lot (The only RoboCop that I approve).

 

[Sebastian]

I think if you are a true Trekkie or a fan of the old film it is a very fair sentiment. I feel like the new one as a stand alone film is watch-able and I enjoyed the performance of Peter Weller a lot (The only RoboCop that I approve).

Weller is always a treat.

I think the best episode of Fringe, "White Tulip," is the one he guest-starred in. Amazing performance and plot.

 

[gourimoko]

I try to pretend Into Darkness never happened.

This.

The new Star Trek movies are abominations.

 

[Pioneer10]

This.

The new Star Trek movies are abominations.

Ludicrous plots even for sci fi but I give them credit for the casting at least. Pine, Quinto, etc were good choices for their roles

 

[gourimoko]

Ludicrous plots even for sci fi but I give them credit for the casting at least. Pine, Quinto, etc were good choices for their roles

I think the casting works for an academy story line.. But, these guys have to grow up sooner or later right?

Pine is 35 years old. He's old enough to play Captain Kirk, just as Shatner was. Quinto is 38; he's definitely old enough to play Spock. But they've got to take these actors and put them into those roles, not play on boyish looks to simulate younger college aged kids.

I also think these actors can act; but I'm fairly confident in saying that JJ Abrams just wasn't the guy to make them do it.

We'll see what the next installment is like, but expectations are astronomically low. (pun intended).

 

[macbdog]

Is it just me ? Ok Then ....

No, it's not just you- I am also sexually attracted to the Joker.

 

[col63onel]

This.

The new Star Trek movies are abominations.

And yet still WAY better than the ones Shatner and Roddenberry did.

 

[gourimoko]

And yet still WAY better than the ones Shatner and Roddenberry did.

You know.. actually they weren't.

The actual premise of the first Star Trek reboot film was impossible, as in, it couldn't happen by any stretch of the imagination and the filmmakers should have known this had anyone actually done a modicum of research. A high school child, a child, could've told Abrams: "this, makes no sense. it's not possible. think of something else."

That's ceases to be science fiction, when the premise is literally absurd on it's face.

The movie was terrible, it is literally unwatchable.

I can watch Star Trek The Motion Picture; it's honestly not a bad movie, it's a movie very much made in it's time. I like movies from the 60s and 70s that feel of their era; and ST1 is very much one of those films.

Sure Final Frontier was bad, but, as bad as the reboot? Nah..

 

[col63onel]

You know.. actually they weren't.

The actual premise of the first Star Trek reboot film was impossible, as in, it couldn't happen by any stretch of the imagination and the filmmakers should have known this had anyone actually done a modicum of research. A high school child, a child, could've told Abrams: "this, makes no sense. it's not possible. think of something else."

That's ceases to be science fiction, when the premise is literally absurd on it's face.

The movie was terrible, it is literally unwatchable.

I can watch Star Trek The Motion Picture; it's honestly not a bad movie, it's a movie very much made in it's time. I like movies from the 60s and 70s that feel of their era; and ST1 is very much one of those films.

Sure Final Frontier was bad, but, as bad as the reboot? Nah..

And making movies like that was literally killing the franchise. JJ made Star Trek movies watchable again.

Lucas was doing the same thing to Star Wars, and luckily, JJ is there to save that franchise as well.

edit - Also, if movies not being possible in the real world is the threshold, about 98% of Sci-Fi is unwatchable as well.

 

[gourimoko]

And making movies like that was literally killing the franchise.

I gotta disagree man; I think this is a common misconception.

The first Star Trek movie was a financial success, but Paramount didn't meet their expected margins. TWOK was a better film, done on better margins, with tighter studio controls and by a more seasoned team. But both movies were successful, and obviously TWOK was the better film overall in almost all respects.

ST3 was also a commercial success, again done on a smaller budget. The studio just fucked up hiring Nimoy to direct, and Roddenberry knew this. But again, these movies weren't killing the franchise, they were all financial successes done on relatively low budgets compared to the original.

Star Trek: A Voyage Home was one of the most successful movies to date to come out of Paramount when it was released. People loved and still love that movie; even though I personally fucking hate it (it's my least favorite of them all, outside of the reboots).

So I can't say that these movies were killing the franchise. Star Trek was a Paramount cash cow, and people loved ST4. Final Frontier was ass, but Undiscovered Country was actually a pretty damn good ST movie; it's definitely better than the reboot films.

The only reason they stopped making these films was because the cast was too old, and there were numerous compelling reasons to try and move on to making a TNG movie.

JJ made Star Trek movies watchable again.

I'm not sure how? I mean, are you a Star Trek fan, or..?

Lucas was doing the same thing to Star Wars, and luckily, JJ is there to save that franchise as well.

JJ isn't saving anything. We haven't even seen the fucking movie yet man, c'mon..

IMO, Just about any director could make a competent Star Wars film. Just not George Lucas, because he's not a very good director.