gourimoko
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Would you prefer drunk-Gour?
Stfu bitch! Mofo asked for a answer and got one. Get off my dick!
Is that better, Damage? :chuckles:
Would you prefer drunk-Gour?
Then I'd sleep with an ugly chick.
Finally watched Man of Steel.
Actually thought it was pretty good, but did have some troubles with it.
Didn't like how Lois Lane figured him out and tracked him down to id superman. I guess that is more reasonable than the hey Clark looks like Superman if he would just take off those glasses, and why does Clark always disappear whenever Superman is around? It seems more plausible, just not based on the comics I remember.
I couldn't care less about the whole Superman breaking the guys neck thing that everyone else was bitching about. Seemed reasonable and conflicting to him.
Lots of folks used the bolded statement to complain about Superman killing Zod.. But I've seen 1940's era Superman who wasn't a demigod, kill plenty of people. The later incarnation of Superman did in fact purposely kill Zod and Faora. So while I do understand how it conflicts with the more recent view of Superman as a Christlike figure, I can kinda understand why Nolan/Snyder did it as it holds to their darker portrayal.
The problem is that they just didn't do it well (was hastily setup), and that left many to say "he didn't have to kill him." Superman was in control of the situation, had Zod by the neck. If he could break is neck, surely he could've turned it away from those people.
Also, the massive amount of destruction in Metropolis really begs the question, how many people really died in this movie? Seemed like thousands.
But yeah, I loved the movie, regardless. This version of Superman who is a savior of mankind should not have killed Zod, but it's still a great movie.
p.s.
AFAIK, Batman in Nolan's Dark Knight specifically avoids killing, but Superman doesn't... Which I find strange. To me, Batman would certainly kill before Superman would, and has substantially greater reasons to do so. Killing for Batman might not only be justifiable but necessary for his survival; whereas you'd be hard pressed indeed to find a similar situation (outside of Doomsday) where Superman would need to resort to killing.
I read a lot of comics as a kid. (Personal favorite I'd the Onslaught series).
And I wholeheartedly agree with you. Superman did kill people. If anything Batman was the guy who wouldn't kill anyone due to a higher moral code.
I really don't see this 'Christ like' figure people made him out to be in the film. He just wanted to be normal and helpful. His dad also kept reiterating that there were things more important than others lives (his secret identity for instance). So his 'moral code' to me stems from the regret of not saving his father. All Kal wanted to do was save people. But the only thing endangering people were 1) aaccidents/natural disasters/etc or 2) bad criminals. The criminals of earth were human so he never had to kill anyone to protect others.
In that final scene he had to. The problem I had was that they never really centered on why he was disturbed. Was he upset he killed the last of his species? Was he sad that he could no longer revive his lost race with the codex? Was he sad because he had to knowingly kill someone? Was he sad because he felt that he was abusing his power being judge/jury/exocutioner?
My guess is the latter. He knows with his power killing is a slippery slope. The idea of being Christ like isn't his goal... His goal is to not become like Zod. And for that to happen, there can be no chinks in the armor persay. But this is more of Batman's ideal than Superman's, so I wasn't sure where they were going with it.
Yeah. I can see that. I just don't see how that fits in with the DC universe. Superman is known to go rouge quite a bit. There are numerous accounts of Superman being falible. Almost too many to count to be honest.
It's just so weird that they chose that perspective. I really liked the movie, but it doesn't fit well with the DC universe. It fits more with public perception I guess...
That's why he gave Batman Kryptonite. He trusts Batman's morality more than his. He may not agree with Batman, but he understands his human perspective is more representative of the ideals of man than he could ever understand being alien.