Ray Farmer Suspended 4 Games for Text-Gate

[Tornicade]

This is just hilarious to me. "Freak on field accident" ... Not only exaggerating the Browns' violation, but underplaying Tomlin's. Never thought I'd see this on here.

Tomlin has a history of interfering or obstructing plays on the field?

the tomlin thing is a separate matter not related to what happened with the browns at all.

The NFL Ruled that Tomlins action wasnt intentional and he was fined.

Tomlins action and disciplined have nothing to do with the issue regarding the Browns .

 

[Surge]

So being on the field and interfering with the game is worse than texting for Manziel to play?

@Man Called X

 

[Chris]

Tomlin has a history of interfering or obstructing plays on the field?

the tomlin thing is a separate matter not related to what happened with the browns at all.

The NFL Ruled that Tomlins action wasnt intentional and he was fined.

Tomlins action and disciplined have nothing to do with the issue regarding the Browns .

Stop saying it has nothing to do with the Browns. If you're going to discipline teams and have any iota of respectability, something called consistency needs to be achieved. Thus, these are all actually inter-related issues. The Pats situations, the Steelers, the Saints, and now the Browns...they're all related simply because they're all teams that violated rules and were punished accordingly. If I get my hand chopped off for stealing and then my neighbor gets forced to do 12 hours community service for murder, are we going to talk about how it isn't related? No, we're going to talk about how fucking ridiculously inconsistent these punishments are as well as how FUBAR they are relative to the crime.

 

[Tornicade]

Stop saying it has nothing to do with the Browns. If you're going to discipline teams and have any iota of respectability, something called consistency needs to be achieved. Thus, these are all actually inter-related issues. The Pats situations, the Steelers, the Saints, and now the Browns...they're all related simply because they're all teams that violated rules and were punished accordingly. If I get my hand chopped off for stealing and then my neighbor gets forced to do 12 hours community service for murder, are we going to talk about how it isn't related? No, we're going to talk about how fucking ridiculously inconsistent these punishments are as well as how FUBAR they are relative to the crime.

Coaches are allowed on the sidelines. ITs where they do their job. They often step towards the field throughout the game to talk to refs and such.
Tomlin was turned around Away from the Field and turned to move toward the sideline when the play got to him.

This is about the same conclusion that the NFL came to .
There was no intention, no malice and it was erelated to one single play.

Its over.

Meanwhile the Browns violation is at the organizational level and something that impact of the integrity of the game.

There off field incidents, game related incidents and team organizational incidents.

Tomlin was in the wrong place at the own time and was negligent for one instance.

The Browns flagrantly disregard communication rules which are set to maintain fair competition and show accountability in regards to the integrity of the game.

Their two complete different type of rules violations.

one is a team sanction and the other is an individual punishment.

In respect ot sideline interference,
However, no suspensions are expected as, historically, the NFL generally only imposes them on coaches and front office personnel if there has been a repeated behavior that runs counter to the rules (i.e. Bountygate with the Saints and Spygate with the Patriots)."
Here was how Tomlin explained it following the Ravens 22-20 win.

“I always watch the returns on the JumboTron; it provides a better perspective for me,” Tomlin said. “I lost my placement as he broke free and saw at the last second how close I was to the field of play. ... I do it quite often, like everybody else in the National Football League. I was wrong, I accept responsibility.”

The NFL once again ruled it was not intentional and therefore no pick was taken which was under consideration

Farmers actions would fall under repeated behavior and intention is is quite clear

Speaking of sideline interference. The NFL determine Jets trainer Sal Alosi was suspended for the remainder of his season and any post season play for tripping. this was determined intentional they also fined the Jets.... 100k
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000...p-nfl-docks-jets-100000-for-sideline-incident

http://www.footballzebras.com/2010/12/19/1378/

In regards to Tomlin I fault the get back coach for not doing his job and moving Tomlin back before the play was snapped

 

[Phills14]

This thread really is awful now.

I'm shocked how long it is taking the NFL to make a ruling here. If it involves draft picks it is absurd they are waiting this long. These teams can't pull off any deals or feel confident about deals they are working on because they don't know where they are drafting with 30 days to go.

 

[Ohdang]

I don't know how anyone could watch that Tomlin video and think anything other than he was trying to interfere with that return to prevent his team from going down even further, while trying to be sly about it.

In my opinion that is worse than spygate, even though they are both cheating, because that is directly interfering with the play on the field. In that instance, since he was the head coach and directly represents the team from an authority position, I think they should have also been docked a first rounder (maybe even more than that) in addition to the fine on Tomlin personally. Had a player done it, unless there was indisputable evidence he was directed to by the team's leadership, it should only result in a penalty on the field and a severe fine and not a punishment to the team itself. There, to me, is a key difference in who (or who they were instructed to do so by) commits the infraction when talking about whether the team itself should be punished instead of or in addition to the individual. Why the NFL did not punish Tomlin/the Steelers more severely I do not know, perhaps they couldn't conclusively prove there was intent, even though almost everyone who saw it interpreted that way? I guess I can't conclusively prove it either, it only appeared obvious to me from seeing it live. In the case of Alosi and the Jets, there was more conclusive proof and a confession, so both were punished, though in my opinion not severely enough. I think the penalty for interfering on the field from the sideline should be so severe that nobody will ever do it again, because the players on the field are not expecting to be hit or tripped from somewhere off the field of play and that is dangerous to their health.

In our case, it was the GM, who is only under the owner in authority, and it was proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that it happened. To me, that means punishing the team and not just the individual is warranted. I think considering the context, it should just be a slap on the wrist, but we'll see if the NFL agrees with me soon, hopefully.

 

[AZ_]

Not sure I've ever seen a thread where both sides of the argument are probably wrong and/or overdramatic.

 

[chrisrich91]

Not sure I've ever seen a thread where both sides of the argument are probably wrong and/or overdramatic.

That's how most threads are, bro.

 

[AZ_]

That's how most threads are, bro.

None that I've been in...

 

[Tornicade]

I don't know how anyone could watch that Tomlin video and think anything other than he was trying to interfere with that return to prevent his team from going down even further, while trying to be sly about it.

In my opinion that is worse than spygate, even though they are both cheating, because that is directly interfering with the play on the field. In that instance, since he was the head coach and directly represents the team from an authority position, I think they should have also been docked a first rounder (maybe even more than that) in addition to the fine on Tomlin personally. Had a player done it, unless there was indisputable evidence he was directed to by the team's leadership, it should only result in a penalty on the field and a severe fine and not a punishment to the team itself. There, to me, is a key difference in who (or who they were instructed to do so by) commits the infraction when talking about whether the team itself should be punished instead of or in addition to the individual. Why the NFL did not punish Tomlin/the Steelers more severely I do not know, perhaps they couldn't conclusively prove there was intent, even though almost everyone who saw it interpreted that way? I guess I can't conclusively prove it either, it only appeared obvious to me from seeing it live. In the case of Alosi and the Jets, there was more conclusive proof and a confession, so both were punished, though in my opinion not severely enough. I think the penalty for interfering on the field from the sideline should be so severe that nobody will ever do it again, because the players on the field are not expecting to be hit or tripped from somewhere off the field of play and that is dangerous to their health.

In our case, it was the GM, who is only under the owner in authority, and it was proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that it happened. To me, that means punishing the team and not just the individual is warranted. I think considering the context, it should just be a slap on the wrist, but we'll see if the NFL agrees with me soon, hopefully.

Doesnt matter what anyone who sees the video thinks it matters what the NFl ruled

NFL ruled that Tomlin was unintentional and gave him a 100k fine.

The Jets on the other hand with intentional sideline interference was fined 100k, the staff member fined 25k and suspended for the rest of the season and post season

Sideline interference isnt the issue at hand.

Spygate is actually more along the lines of the texting matter

Too often, competitive violations have gone unpunished because conclusive proof of the violation was lacking,” Goodell wrote in that memo. “I believe we should reconsider the standard of proof to be applied in such cases, and make it easier for a competitive violation to be established. And where a violation is shown, I intend to impose more stringent penalties on both the club and the responsible individual(s). I will also be prepared to make greater use of draft choice forfeiture in appropriate cases. I believe this will have the effect of deterring violations and making people more willing to report violations on a timely basis.”


I dont think its over dramatic to try to explain the differences between sideline interference and circumventing the leagues policy on game communications

Its just not rational to conlude that since Tomlin got a stiff fine thats how the Browns matter should be addressed

 

[spydy13]

This thread really is awful now.

I'm shocked how long it is taking the NFL to make a ruling here. If it involves draft picks it is absurd they are waiting this long. These teams can't pull off any deals or feel confident about deals they are working on because they don't know where they are drafting with 30 days to go.

As I mentioned earlier, PFT says the teams were informed already, but the punishments won't be announced to the public until this week (Wednesday iirc) because they didn't want other teams to have to answer questions about it.

 

[Man Called X]

So being on the field and interfering with the game is worse than texting for Manziel to play?

@Man Called X

Why tag me in this shit? Fuck the Steelers. Fuck the Browns. Fuck the NFL.

Also, tagging doesn't give me a notification anymore. Did I turn something off and not realize it?

 

[Tornicade]

I didnt realize az found the word systematic so intimidating. ill have to remember that in the future. I actually retyped it after typing out cheating specifically because i didnt want to be dramatic nor do i expect farmer to be tied up to the goal post and pelted with cell phones.

Ill maintain there is a difference between sideline interference and violation of the communications rules and I doubt that Farmer would text an "opinion" to a lackey for the purpose of expressing "hoyers sucks" to the offensive coordinator.
I havent advocated the browns lose any draft picks but I dont think sour grapes over the NFL decision on Tomlin should factor in to whatever punishment they have for farmer and the Browns

 

[Man Called X]

Thanks Boobie. I still get those alerts, just not when I'm tagged in a thread, even though it's check marked in my options.

As you can tell, I care little for football, so I guess you shall always disagree with me.

Good day to you sir.

 

[Simon]