Rumor: Al Harrington to the Pacers

[TheAdmin]

cdt Edit: The Pacers have traded their 7.5 million dollar trade exception they acquired from the Hornets for Peja Stojakovic and an Undisclosed amount of cash.

According to an Indy Radio Statio WTHR...

And still we sit...as Central Teams make move after move.

 

[Karma]

Re: Rumors out of Indiana.....

Interesting stuff. I guess this means O'Neal has to play center full time. With Pollard a free agent and Croshere moved with Foster, Indiana are very thin up front with Harrison, Harrington and O'Neal holding the fort. That to me doesn't overly improve them. They have better post scoring, but defense and rebounding take a hit.

 

[CBBI]

Re: Rumors out of Indiana.....

Wow.

I actually like this move if I'm a Cavaliers fan. We all know what Harrington can do and Granger has the potential to be so much more.

 

[cdt]

Re: Rumors out of Indiana.....

Wow.

I actually like this move if I'm a Cavaliers fan. We all know what Harrington can do and Granger has the potential to be so much more.

Their starting lineup will most likely be..

Tinsley, Jackson, Granger, Harrington, O'Neal

Very fast paced team, they're going to be on the run. I don't like them getting Al at all..CBBI do you really think they'd bench Granger after what he showed last year? Be real, the guy came on and started and proved to be their most promising player, Al and Granger are both starting.

O'Neal can play center he's like Tim Duncan in the sense that he's big enough to play their but just plays PF.

 

[TJ_4_CV31]

Trade execeptions CAN NOT be traded. They are only "generated" by a particular team. A trade exception is not a movable commodity. This may be at least a 3 team deal if this rumor is true. Indiana would use it's 7.5mil TPE to absorb Harrington's first year salary. This would mean that they'd have to trade a "player" or tradable commodity (cash or draft rights) to make this deal work.

A hypothetical three way like this would work....

Harrington to Indy
Magloire to Atlanta
Granger to Milwaukee

Atlanta is under the cap and can absorb Magloire's 8.3mil. The Bucks would take on Granger's salary and generate their own TPE in the amount of roughly 6.8mil for future use (the Bucks would have 1 year from the date of the trade to use that TPE and it COULD NOT be "traded")

 

[CBBI]

Re: Rumors out of Indiana.....

Their starting lineup will most likely be..

Tinsley, Jackson, Granger, Harrington, O'Neal

Very fast paced team, they're going to be on the run. I don't like them getting Al at all..CBBI do you really think they'd bench Granger after what he showed last year? Be real, the guy came on and started and proved to be their most promising player, Al and Granger are both starting.

O'Neal can play center he's like Tim Duncan in the sense that he's big enough to play their but just plays PF.

The original trade rumor Ben posted had Granger and Foster going to Atlanta for Harrington. I was commenting on how I thought Granger was going to be a lot better then Harrington and they would be stupid to give him up.

But since I posted, Ben edited the rumor and made me look like a complete jackass.

 

[cdt]

By acquiring Granger I'd be pissed because Granger>Magloire...

But I'm sure you guys would be pissed to have a backup (Bobby Simmons) and his 48 million dollar deal :]

 

[PF31]

Trade execeptions CAN NOT be traded. They are only "generated" by a particular team. A trade exception is not a movable commodity. This may be at least a 3 team deal if this rumor is true. Indiana would use it's 7.5mil TPE to absorb Harrington's first year salary. This would mean that they'd have to trade a "player" to make this deal work.

A hypothetical three way like this would work....

Harrington to Indy
Magloire to Atlanta
Granger to Milwaukee

Atlanta is under the cap and can absorb Magloire's 8.5mil. The Bucks would take on Granger's salary and generate their own TPE in the amount of roughly 6.3mil for future use (it COULD NOT be "traded")

The TE can not be traded with a player.

The TE can be traded by itself for Harrington as long as his starting salary is 7.6 million, that would be the TE (7.5 plus 100k, which by the rules is the limit, 100% + 100k)

It can be traded piece by piece or it can be traded all as one piece, the full 7.5 million.

Idk where you got the "it COULD NOT BE "traded" from but that is 100% WRONG!

The deal is also includes some Cash.

Here is a link to the CBA. http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#68

 

[cdt]

Haha that's my boy, PacerFan31 I showed him the post as we we're talking about the potential Al Harrington trade scenarios.

TJ got shut down :chuckles:

 

[TJ_4_CV31]

The TE can not be traded with a player.

The TE can be traded by itself for Harrington as long as his starting salary is 7.6 million, that would be the TE (7.5 plus 100k, which by the rules is the limit, 100% + 100k)

It can be traded piece by piece or it can be traded all as one piece, the full 7.5 million.

Idk where you got the "it COULD NOT BE "traded" from but that is 100% WRONG!

The deal is also includes some Cash.

Here is a link to the CBA. http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#68

You're wrong son, I'm right. You're actually agreeing with me without knowing it. The trade exception is NEVER traded, only generated by a particular team. If Harrington goes to the Pacers, the Hawks WILL NOT receive any portion of the Trade Exception in return. The Pacers KEEP the trade exception and USE IT to accept Harrington's salary. The Hawks would have to receive some other form of compensation in the deal....NOT the trade exception.

You are definitely wrong. Sit down.

 

[PF31]

You're wrong son, I'm right. You're actually agreeing with me without knowing it. The trade exception is NEVER traded, only generated be a particular team. If Harrington goes to the Pacers, the Hawks WILL NOT receive any portion of the Trade Exception in return. The Pacers KEEP the trade exception and USE IT to accept Harrington's salary. The Hawks would have to receive some other form of compensation in the deal....NOT the trade exception.

You are definitely wrong. Sit down.

That's the thing, it is traded, we give them the TE so that we don't have to give them a player for him, that's why the salary has to be 7.6 or lower so we don't have to throw in a player.

That's ALSO why the cash is thrown IN.

I threw in some random all caps words so you can try to understand.

 

[cdt]

If it's never traded how did the Hornets trade it to the Pacers for getting Stojakovic?

The idea of the TE is to acquire a player without trading a player, Al's salary can't be over 7.6 which is the TE.

 

[TJ_4_CV31]

That's the thing, it is traded, we give them the TE so that we don't have to give them a player for him.

That's ALSO why the cash is thrown IN.

I threw in some random all caps words so you can try to understand.

You still don't get it. the TPE WILL NOT leave the Pacers. You keep your TPE to sign Harrington. Trade exceptions ARE NOT moved. Atlanta WILL NOT receive any portion of your 7.5mil TPE. You'd use that money to sign Harrington.

The TPE (Traded Player Exception) is a tool that allows a team that is over the cap to make trades. The TPE in itself is not a commodity....it's a tool. You can't trade it.

For example, the Pacers cannot trade their 7.5mil trade exception to another team for a pick in next year's draft because a trade exception cannot be moved. Only players move. The trade exception facilitates "receiving" players in a trade but it itself cannot be traded as if it were a commodity.

 

[TJ_4_CV31]

If it's never traded how did the Hornets trade it to the Pacers for getting Stojakovic?

The idea of the TE is to acquire a player without trading a player, Al's salary can't be over 7.6 which is the TE.

Good question. Remember, only Peja was "traded". The Trade Exception of 7.5mil was "generated" as a result of the trade. The trade exception itself was not "sent" to the Pacers by the Hornets because they received Peja. Ask yourself, "did the Hornets have a 7.5mil Trade Exception BEFORE they acquired Peja"? No they didn't. It was generated as a result of the trade and cannot be moved as a seperate commodity.

 

[PF31]

You still don't get it. the TPE WILL NOT leave the Pacers. You keep your TPE to sign Harrington. Trade exceptions ARE NOT moved. Atlanta WILL NOT receive any portion of your 7.5mil TPE. You'd use that money to sign Harrington.

The TPE (Trade exception) is a tool that allows a team that is over the cap to make trades. The TPE in itself is not a commodity....it's a tool. You can't trade it.

For example, the Pacers cannot trade their 7.5mil trade exception to another team for a pick in next year's draft because a trade exception cannot be moved. Only players move. The trade exception facilitates "receiving" players in a trade but it itself cannot be traded as if it were a commodity.

That would be the case, IF this was a non-simultaneous trade, which it isn't because Al's contract is the full amount of the TE.

Last summer the Pacers traded James Jones for a 2.5 million TE that was acquired by the Suns from the Knicks, so they can be traded.