Rumor: Al Harrington to the Pacers

[cdt]

The Pacers received the draft rights for Andrew Betts, a player the Hornets drafted in 1998 but who never played for the franchise, and they also received a trade exception. If the Pacers obtain a player in a trade, they can offer cash instead of trading a player off their roster.

Doesn't get anymore clear cut then that. Now you can take a seat my friend.

Told Ya So

 

[PF31]

The Pacers received the draft rights for Andrew Betts, a player the Hornets drafted in 1998 but who never played for the franchise, and they also received a trade exception. If the Pacers obtain a player in a trade, they can offer cash instead of trading a player off their roster.

Doesn't get anymore clear cut then that. Now you can take a seat my friend.

Told Ya So

Thanx to CDT for prooving my original point.

 

[TJ_4_CV31]

That would be the case, IF this was a non-simultaneous trade, which it isn't because Al's contract is the full amount of the TE.

Last summer the Pacers traded James Jones for a 2.5 million TE that was acquired by the Suns from the Knicks, so they can be traded.

I think you're getting lost in semantics. I won't research the James Jones trade at this hour but I'll garauntee you that no TPE (traded player exception) was "acquired". In non-simultaneous situations, the TPE were "generated" at a point in the past and "used" to "acquire" player x.

Here's an excerpt from the CBA concerning non-simultaneous trades....

Here is an example of a non-simultaneous trade: a team trades away a $2 million player for a $1 million player. Sometime in the next year, they trade a draft pick (with zero trade value itself) for a $1.1 million player to complete the earlier trade. They ended up acquiring $2.1 million in salary for their $2 million player -- they just didn't do it all at once, or even necessarily with the same trading partner.

Notice the language....only the players and their salaries are actually moving. TPE's are generated by respective team's and used accordingly.

 

[TheAdmin]

TJ is correct, no need for anyone to "sit down". I'm not going to go into this in length because it has been covered by TJ pretty darn well.

Besides, everyone is agreeing with everyone but half the side doesn't quite know whats its arguing about.

 

[PF31]

"This move could make trading for Al Harrington far easier for the Pacers. The Pacers could use the trade exception to land Harrington by trading a future draft pick and/or cash along with the exception."

 

[TJ_4_CV31]

The Pacers received the draft rights for Andrew Betts, a player the Hornets drafted in 1998 but who never played for the franchise, and they also received a trade exception. If the Pacers obtain a player in a trade, they can offer cash instead of trading a player off their roster.

Doesn't get anymore clear cut then that. Now you can take a seat my friend.

Told Ya So

CDT, your proving MY point. The Pacers received a commodity (Betts' draft rights) but they didn't "receive" a trade exception from the Hornets, the TPE was generated and assigned to the Pacers under the rules of the CBA.

There are several CBA experts on RealGM....GrandAdmiralDan probably being the foremost. I'll try and find a post where this issue is discussed because many make the same false assumption that you guys are making here. It's really boils down to semantics. The TPE itself is not given by one team to another....it's generated and utilized to receive tradable commodities.

 

[TJ_4_CV31]

Here's what some random Heat troll had to say on the Bucks board concerning a possible three way trade involving the Hawks/Bucks/Pacers....

Granger is not UNTOUCHABLE, but Al Harrington doesnt make Indiana THAT MUCH BETTER to justify dealing DGranger and all the youth, athleticism and potential he brings....

and you people are figuring Indy trades Granger AND their $7.5 million (7.5 that isnt a typo) trade exception, their two most valuable assets outside of JOneal in the SAME deal for JUST Al Harrington

ridiculous....you people should be ashamed of your ignorance

lets see who is serving up crow here shortly

Here was Dan's (probably the most knowledgeable CBA expert on Realgm) had to say in response.....

-= original quote snipped =-



Please don't call someone ignorant while simultaneously claiming, in such a vociferous manner, that a TPE can be traded.

 

[The George]

so how is it that the bucks can trade 8 million of Maglories salary and only take back 2 million of Grangers????

 

[PIP]

so how is it that the bucks can trade 8 million of Maglories salary and only take back 2 million of Grangers????

I think it's the new logo rule.

 

[Karma]

I love it when flamers are proven wrong.

 

[PIP]

Seriously Karmo, I swear to God, you punch harder than anyone else on here on a regular basis and nobody ever sees it... However, only a select few get to take the punch from you.. And the best part is, you do it in such a smooth way..

I love it...

 

[TJ_4_CV31]

so how is it that the bucks can trade 8 million of Maglories salary and only take back 2 million of Grangers????

I won't pretend to be the GrandAdmiral when it comes to the CBA, but I'll give it a shot for you.

In a 3 way scenario involving the Hawks/Bucks/Pacers the Bucks can send Magloire's contract to the Hawks because they have enough room under the cap to absorb his salary. The Pacers use their 7.5mil TPE to take on Harrington's salary (up to 7.6mil starting). BECAUSE the Bucks are a partner in this simutaneuos deal, they can take on Granger's contract and will in turn generate their own TPE for the difference between Mags' and Granger's salaries (some 6plus mil). By sending Mags to Atlanta, the Bucks fulfill the Pacer's compensation requirement for acquiring Al Harrington.

 

[TJ_4_CV31]

George....I found a GrandAdmiral post that I hope answers your question. Here's the exchange:

if it is indeed a 3 way deal involving the bucks then the bucks getting just granger wont make much sense because the salaries wont work. expect some other salaries to be thrown in here and there. possibly bender's salary from indiana.

The salaries DO work.
Trust me.

This does not even come close cap wise!
W/ Magloire & Al making the $ they do, Indy would have to add 2 other players to make that work. I promise that is not the case!!!
Pipe dream...one of your posters said it best!

Yes it does.
Try running the numbers before saying something like this

The Hawks are under the cap anyway, not that would matter for this trade:

Hawks S&T Harrington with a first year salary of up to $7.6 mil.
Hawks can absorb Magloire's $8.3 mil salary REGARDLESS of what amount they sign Harrington to.

Pacers use $7.5 mil Peja TPE to acquire Harrington at a salary of up to $7.6 mil (100% of TPE plus $100k)
Pacers trade Danny Granger, generating a TPE of $1.4178 mil for future use.

Bucks trade Jamaal Magloire while receiving Danny Granger. Bucks generate TPE of $6.8822 mil for future use.

That trade WORKS perfectly and will be approved by the NBA.
Trust me

 

[The George]

not that i dont believe you but im just trying to figure this out

so why couldnt people over the cap do this all of the time

why do salaries have to match up at all then if the TPE can be created?

 

[TJ_4_CV31]

not that i dont believe you but im just trying to figure this out

so why couldnt people over the cap do this all of the time

why do salaries have to match up at all then if the TPE can be created?

The answer to that question lies in the actual 438 page CBA document....

http://www.nbpa.org/cba_articles.php

....not the Larry Coon faq pages that the Pacer wanderer linked to. Have fun researching it George. :chuckles: