Sacramento Kings

[beefstew]

Re: Sacramento Kings Total Cluster-fudge

I think J.J. needed a wake up call. He needed to be dismissed from two bad teams. He was talking about a huge contract, near max money, while completely ignoring coaching. I'm glad he is getting his head straight, but how do we know that would happen without a swift kick in the ass?

I'd like to know when JJ ever stated he wanted close to max money?
This is a typical reaction of trying to defend the franchise, we made a bad mood. Deal with it.

 

[Daniel89]

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He tried to physically confront Sean Elliot after the game. He also has, shall we say, a history dating back to his days in Mobile. Cousins can play ball, but he is a loose cannon.

Where does it say that? He trash talked him after the game, but there's no report that he tried to confront him physically...

This is only a 2 game suspension because it's Cousins. I believe other players would have been fined only.

Anyways, dumb behaviour from him and I hope he gets his act together in the future.

 

[Randolphkeys]

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I'd like to know when JJ ever stated he wanted close to max money?
This is a typical reaction of trying to defend the franchise, we made a bad mood. Deal with it.

That was from RCF's sources. Here's a non-specific mention of the problem in print:

http://cleveland.cbslocal.com/2012/02/19/hickson-wished-he-couldve-been-part-of-cavs-rebuild/

He is averaging 5.2 points and 5.4 rebounds per game this season and will be a free agent at the end of the year. One of the motives for the Cavaliers to moving the former first round draft pick was a hefty contract extension.

“I think things are going to take care of themselves,” Hickson said. “You know, I’m not having the year I want to have. Not just personally, but we’re not winning.

“After last year, I didn’t want to come to a situation like this. I wanted to rebuild (with the Cavs).”

When asked if he could make it work with the Kings, Hickson paused and was diplomatic, yet not confident or enthused.

Where does it say that? He trash talked him after the game, but there's no report that he tried to confront him physically...

This is only a 2 game suspension because it's Cousins. I believe other players would have been fined only.

Anyways, dumb behaviour from him and I hope he gets his act together in the future.

That was what I heard on sports radio this morning out here in the Bay. Sorry, can't hyperlink a radio report.

 

[The Oi]

Re: Sacramento Kings Total Cluster-fudge

Keys...on the other hand, if an organization is doing their job by fostering the right culture, hiring the right people, etc...maybe JJ could have gotten the kick in the ass by the Cavaliers organization while still playing for the team?

I don't recall being hugely opposed to ditching JJ and hindsight is 20/20 for sure. But I'm not the one being paid millions of dollars to maximize these guys' talent.

It's early in the season and things can change, but if JJ does realize his potential, then we can chalk him us a pretty big failure on the part of the Cavaliers organization. Maybe not as awful as the Indians- Brandon Phillips f- up, but bad nonetheless.

 

[Randolphkeys]

Re: Sacramento Kings Total Cluster-fudge

Keys...on the other hand, if an organization is doing their job by fostering the right culture, hiring the right people, etc...maybe JJ could have gotten the kick in the ass by the Cavaliers organization while still playing for the team?

I don't recall being hugely opposed to ditching JJ and hindsight is 20/20 for sure. But I'm not the one being paid millions of dollars to maximize these guys' talent.

There is no question in my mind that the months following LeBron, the Cavaliers weren't close to being the right culture. Hickson had been training two offseasons in a row with LeBron, and all he knew to do was be LeBron's follower. This is just one example of why the Cavs should have started rebooting the team as soon as the decision was over. That first 2010/2011 season was just a dysfunctional waste of time.

 

[BigErieCavsFan]

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Aside from JJ's stone hands, the biggest reason I liked the trade was knowing he would leave at his next contract anyway because we weren't going to pay him what he wanted or what he would get from somewhere else.

 

[RchfldCavRaised]

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I think the JJ Hickson trade was the first sign to me of a misuse of an asset. It seemed rushed in an effort to beat the pending lockout. We gave away a guy who we had invested alot in for nothing. I felt the same way the summer before when we cut Danny Green for Manny Harris.

I just dont think we can afford to give up or give away talent. JJ Hickson had been struggling alot with getting his head together under Byron, but it seemed he was coming around with the string of games he was having albeit at the 5.

As a small market with the our success directly dependent on our ability to turn some rockheads into diamonds. Who's to say we couldnt get more for him. We know from plenty of sources that Grant is one of the hardest GMs to negotiate with on trades. We had that confirmed through the numerous sources who showed frustration over twitter this summer with the Howard, Bynum trade that kept revisiting Cleveland.

I said so when the trade happened and I learned of the protections, and I still feel as much considering how we've thrown away 2nd round picks the last few years... that was a bad trade.

 

[FiveThous]

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Danny Green would look good off our bench right now

 

[rabman_gold]

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I think the JJ Hickson trade was the first sign to me of a misuse of an asset. It seemed rushed in an effort to beat the pending lockout. We gave away a guy who we had invested alot in for nothing. I felt the same way the summer before when we cut Danny Green for Manny Harris.

I just dont think we can afford to give up or give away talent. JJ Hickson had been struggling alot with getting his head together under Byron, but it seemed he was coming around with the string of games he was having albeit at the 5.

As a small market with the our success directly dependent on our ability to turn some rockheads into diamonds. Who's to say we couldnt get more for him. We know from plenty of sources that Grant is one of the hardest GMs to negotiate with on trades. We had that confirmed through the numerous sources who showed frustration over twitter this summer with the Howard, Bynum trade that kept revisiting Cleveland.

I said so when the trade happened and I learned of the protections, and I still feel as much considering how we've thrown away 2nd round picks the last few years... that was a bad trade.

I don't know. We'll probably get the pick regardless, we could still trade Casspi to a desperate team for another 2nd rounder or future one. Aside from that, J.J.'s value would drop in an uncertain season and we didn't want to waste time on that. I think the Cavs are using a quantity of assets to trade for a small amount of quality ones instead (thus the 2 picks + swap for Tyler).

We'll have plenty of chance to capitalize. Beside high draft picks, we have the ammunition to trade for a possible home run. That's because with the new cap rules, the amount of teams desperate to not lose money will increase since we virtually the only team on the market who can take on bad contracts for nothing.

 

[MirORich]

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Danny Green would look good off our bench right now

Kudos to Danny Green for continuing to improve and develop.

But doing so in a proven system, a historical upper echelon team, with HOF vets, and a HOF coach, with a very specific role, over the course of 2-3 years is a different kind of development path than he would have had as a Cav.

Not to say he couldn't have eventually become a rotational player, but its no guarantee that a good role player on a good team would be a good role player or impactful player on an awful team(the two years post LeBron)

 

[MirORich]

Re: Sacramento Kings Total Cluster-fudge

Also, though it might not be until 2015 or 2016, when we eventually get a pick in the 10-14 range(once we're already a winning team), we might look back on that a little differently.

Not sure JJ would ever had any more value for us as an asset than a look see on a player who didnt suck as a rookie(Casspi) and a future 1st rd pick

 

[BigErieCavsFan]

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I think the JJ Hickson trade was the first sign to me of a misuse of an asset. It seemed rushed in an effort to beat the pending lockout. We gave away a guy who we had invested alot in for nothing. I felt the same way the summer before when we cut Danny Green for Manny Harris.

I just dont think we can afford to give up or give away talent. JJ Hickson had been struggling alot with getting his head together under Byron, but it seemed he was coming around with the string of games he was having albeit at the 5.

As a small market with the our success directly dependent on our ability to turn some rockheads into diamonds. Who's to say we couldnt get more for him. We know from plenty of sources that Grant is one of the hardest GMs to negotiate with on trades. We had that confirmed through the numerous sources who showed frustration over twitter this summer with the Howard, Bynum trade that kept revisiting Cleveland.

I said so when the trade happened and I learned of the protections, and I still feel as much considering how we've thrown away 2nd round picks the last few years... that was a bad trade.

I guess the FO wanted him out of here as much as I did. Because I do think we could have gotten more for him somewhere/somehow. But there was no way I would have kept him.

 

[mds]

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I bet we trade that pick before we use it. It'll be a filler in some move we make.

JJ had no future here, and Danny Green wouldn't be playing as well here as he is in a firmly established Spurs team. Sure, I'd take him over Manny Harris, etc., but we aren't making apple=apple comparisons here.

 

[Gimme Some Mo]

Re: Sacramento Kings Total Cluster-fudge

This trade pisses me off. I try to ignore that it ever happened. I know JJ will not be the difference in a championship or not, but everytime I watch Samardo Samuels, Jon Leuer, Ryan Hollins, Harangody, Luke Walton, etc playing PF/C over the past 2 years.... yea, it makes me wish we had Hickson back.

The contract excuses people are making is ridiculous. Who gives a damn what JJ wanted? That doesn't mean he would ever get it. He signed a 1 year, 4 million dollar deal in Portland. But since he thought he'd get a big extenion, we had to trade him? PLEASE. That is just weak.

We will never see the Kings pick until it turns into a 2nd rounder. They are probably the worst organization in the NBA..... And as far as Casspi goes.... I can't help but laugh at the people that said they watched a lot of Casspi and that they were just 100% certain that he'd turn into a solid role player for us and that it was all the Kings fault that he sucked so bad.

What a disaster of a trade. Sad too. Kings used to be my "2nd team" for a long time, but now they are just a disgrace.

 

[Randolphkeys]

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What a disaster of a trade. Sad too. Kings used to be my "2nd team" for a long time, but now they are just a disgrace.

I can't stress this point enough:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maloof_family

In 1994 the Maloof family bought the Fiesta Hotel in Las Vegas for $8 million, selling it in 2000 for over $185 million. The money was reinvested into the creation of The Palms hotel and casino.

The Maloofs sold their beer distribution in an attempt to save the Palms and Palms Towers. Essentially throwing good money after bad, the Maloofs were forced into giving up control of the Palms. TPG Capital and Leonard Green & Associates now own 98% (49% each). The maloofs were left with a token 2% ownership and a promise to keep the George Maloof as the front man of the casino. As time passed this turns out to be less true, and the Palms is currently going through a re-branding led by Joe Magliarditi. That effort began last summer, when Joe Magliarditi was appointed president by TPG Capital and Leonard Green and Partners, the two lenders who own a combined 98 percent of the Palms.

Tributes to the Palms’ former regime evident are on Flamingo Road. One is the Hugh Hefner Way street sign on the road leading into the resort’s west parking garage. Magliarditi says that will stay. Another nod to the hotel’s history is more obvious: the marquee reading “A Maloof Family Resort,” on the sign facing Flamingo Road. The family name will be edited out as new resort signs are installed next year.

The Kings were great when the Maloof family was flush, then it all fell apart when The Palms proved to be a poor investment.