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Samardo Samuels: Thoughts Observations and Projections

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Samardo offers something the Cavaliers NEED which is a big who can score the ball a bit. If Leuer can offer that to a greater capacity, than perhaps "Mardo" could be in trouble. I think it'd be a mistake though as i think he has improved and is working on his game.

Will he ever be as good as i thought he could be? I suppose not unless he consistently can hit the boards. All of this being said, his minutes in preseason have been anything but consistent. Pretty hard to judge a guy based off the minutes he's gotten as of late. When he played a good block of minutes in preseason game 1 he had a decent showing. I am hopeful he makes the roster as i think it'd be stupid to have someone else (out of who is left) to make it over him. I know the Kevin Jones faction would disagree but Kevin Jones isn't a viable NBA as of yet and despite what you think about Samuels has has played a few seasons at this level. (and had his ups and downs)

Ill say this about Kevin Jones. I was at the game last night and he barely played. Rebounds were going right to him from the second he got on the floor. He was very aggressive on D, and had his hands on the ball every time someone went to shoot it. They said he was like 6'5", but that is not true. He is at the very least 6'7" and his arms are very long. He has a really good nose for the ball. Never really got a chance to score. I think he is the defender/rebounder advertised. I don't think they should cut him.

Samardo had a bad night last night. He had several rebounds poked away and was completely mugged near the basket at least twice. Never got the call.

With the shot Samardo has developed, I think it is wrong to give up on him. He really needs to rebound better though.
 
They said he was like 6'5", but that is not true. He is at the very least 6'7" and his arms are very long.

According to Dx, Kevin was measured at 6'6.5" in socks, and 6'8" in shoes. His wingspan was measured at 7'1.5" and his reach at 8'8.5".

So for instance, that gives him a 1.5" advantage in wingspan over TZ, and the same reach.

He has the same wingspan as TT, but 4" less reach.

He's 1" taller than Chuck Hayes, has 3.5" more wingspan, and an identical reach.

He's an 1.25" shorter than Sullinger yet has a .25" advantage in wingspan, and just 1" less reach.

In other words, if he has the drive & skills, he can certainly carve out a career.
 
Samardo offers something the Cavaliers NEED which is a big who can score the ball a bit.

I think Zeller and Leuer fit that role a little better. First because they are acutally big. Second because they play like it. Third because they can actually score.

Samardo's kind of an enigma. For whatever reason, he's had a number of problems doing what the coaches and front office have requested in the past. It's nice to see him get in shape, but it's a single plus at the end of a long string of minuses. He's also has a tendancy to prefer the faceup game, turn around jumpers, and ill advised attempts to put the ball on the floor. Like Glen Davis, Samardo seems to be a big who prefers to play like an oversized scoring guard the minute that he gets any sort of lee way in the matter. And like Glen Davis, Samardo is a black hole once he gets his mitts on the ball. He very rarely helps ball movement or passes out when in trouble. The big difference here is that Davis is sort of good at what he does. Samardo isn't nearly as effective.

While I don't know what is going on behind closed doors in training camp, I'm starting to think that Samardo needs to spend a year in Europe or the D-league before he "get's it", weight loss or no weight loss. If he makes the team, I don't see him getting a lot of NBA floor time.

Until Samardo starts to rebound, set picks, and box out, he's a d-league talent.
 
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Nor Samardo, nor Leuer nor Harangody nor Jones fill the big void we have at center. With Andy's history of injuries and Zeller likely to have foul trouble and not enough strength to battle with the really big guys down low, we will desperately need another big body. Can you imagine Samardo or Leuer battling on the low block against guys like Lopez, Okafor, Bynum etc.?
Is Eric the answer? Probably not. But with his size he may have a better chance to stick than Samuels.
 
Until Samardo starts to rebound, set picks, and box out, he's a d-league talent.

You nailed it right there. I also agree with the less effective Big Baby comparision. Glen has figured out what he needs to do in order to be effective. Samardo has TALKED about what he needs to do but as of yet, hasn't consistently shown that he will be effective and reliable. A stint in Europe could be the very thing he needs to re-establish himself. I am however still hopeful that all his hard work and talk translates into something for us.
 
Samardo is dumb. Period. He's a "head case" in every sense of the phrase. People who still think he has any potential need to remember how god-awful shallow our team is.
 
Nor Samardo, nor Leuer nor Harangody nor Jones fill the big void we have at center. With Andy's history of injuries and Zeller likely to have foul trouble and not enough strength to battle with the really big guys down low, we will desperately need another big body. Can you imagine Samardo or Leuer battling on the low block against guys like Lopez, Okafor, Bynum etc.?
Is Eric the answer? Probably not. But with his size he may have a better chance to stick than Samuels.

If Andy gets hurt and Zeller gets foul trouble, then you move TT to C for a bit. With his new bulk, a bit of familiarity at the position, and his athleticism he is fine there on a team with little to no playoff aspirations. Rome wasn't built in a day. Eric really has no place on any NBA roster right now. Maybe he gets there one day, but that day really isn't close. I'd rather have good basketball players who understand the game like Jones over some guy we hope may one day get it, and only makes the roster because he has the build of a prototypical C. And, really, how many truly prototypical C's are out there today? Are there enough of them to justify keeping a guy like Eric in case Andy gets hurt and TZ gets in foul trouble and TT can't temporarily fill in? I'm not sold. You cut Jones now, he goes to a team like San Antonio, and he shows us why guys like DeJuan Blair and Chuck Hayes make names for themselves every year, despite obvious physical limitations.
 
If some team (any team) short on bigs offer a late second round pick for Sam-Sam, you take it as fast as you can. There is certainly some talent there, but there's a good chance he never reaches his potential....Douglar nailed it.
 
If Andy gets hurt and Zeller gets foul trouble, then you move TT to C for a bit. With his new bulk, a bit of familiarity at the position, and his athleticism he is fine there on a team with little to no playoff aspirations. Rome wasn't built in a day. Eric really has no place on any NBA roster right now. Maybe he gets there one day, but that day really isn't close. I'd rather have good basketball players who understand the game like Jones over some guy we hope may one day get it, and only makes the roster because he has the build of a prototypical C. And, really, how many truly prototypical C's are out there today? Are there enough of them to justify keeping a guy like Eric in case Andy gets hurt and TZ gets in foul trouble and TT can't temporarily fill in? I'm not sold. You cut Jones now, he goes to a team like San Antonio, and he shows us why guys like DeJuan Blair and Chuck Hayes make names for themselves every year, despite obvious physical limitations.

I'll reply to the bolded parts:

- I don't like playing TT at C. A bit is fine, but again, I suspect we'll have plenty of games/moments where Andy and Z will have to sit.

- Eric is all we have right now that fits the mold. Perhaps we can still pick up someone else, but in the land of the blind, one eye is king.

- There are plenty good big guys out there who operate in or near the post. I'll name the more obvious ones: Bogut, Bynum, Chandler, Cousins, Duncan, Gasol, Gasol, Gortat, Kaman, Hibbert, Lopez, Monroe, Okafor, Randolph.
Do you think Samuels will bother them much?

- Chuck Hayes is one of the very few 6"6/6"7 guys who has the technique, skill and mass to hold his own against the truly big guys. As much as I root for Jones, the chances of him becoming as effective as Hayes to be a serviceable role player to put on bigs are much slimmer than Eric becoming a serviceable role player, IMO.

And like I said: i root for Jones to make the team. But IMO we have bigger holes to fill.
 
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I just don't see an NBA future for Eric. A lot of the hope for him by many is based on one comment Byron Scott made in summer league and I think we've seen Scott can be a little over the top sometimes with his comments.
Eric is a raw very limited player who has a very long way to go before he can be even somewhat effective on the court. He is already 24 too. I just wouldn't use up a roster spot on him. I'd let him go and then try to get him signed with Canton so you can keep tabs on him if you really do think there's something there.

I think you can get away with Thompson or Samuels playing some minutes at C if necessary. There aren't a lot of decent backup C's in the NBA and many teams use players more suited for PF to fill that spot.
 
I just don't see an NBA future for Eric. A lot of the hope for him by many is based on one comment Byron Scott made in summer league and I think we've seen Scott can be a little over the top sometimes with his comments.
Eric is a raw very limited player who has a very long way to go before he can be even somewhat effective on the court. He is already 24 too. I just wouldn't use up a roster spot on him. I'd let him go and then try to get him signed with Canton so you can keep tabs on him if you really do think there's something there.

I think you can get away with Thompson or Samuels playing some minutes at C if necessary. There aren't a lot of decent backup C's in the NBA and many teams use players more suited for PF to fill that spot.

If you're going to be a one trick pony, in this case a rim protector, you'd better be damn good at it. Eric's numbers really don't jump out at you. Even as men amongst boys in college, he averaged less than 2 blocks per game his last 2 seasons and only 7 boards per.
 
If you're going to be a one trick pony, in this case a rim protector, you'd better be damn good at it. Eric's numbers really don't jump out at you. Even as men amongst boys in college, he averaged less than 2 blocks per game his last 2 seasons and only 7 boards per.

I used to be high on guys like him and Eyenga that had very little basketball experience. The idea was that they had a lot more to learn and had good physical gifts. I am starting to think it is more like language. If you aren't exposed at a young age you never really get it. Eric himself admits that he is just scratching the surface. I don't have a lot of hope for him, but he does have nice size strength, and I saw him hitting jumpers at a good clip before the game. He has a better jumper than TT. Not saying much.
 
http://www.ohio.com/sports/cavs/cav...-upbeat-while-waiting-for-his-chance-1.347249

CLEVELAND: Whenever Samardo Samuels has fallen out of the Cavaliers’ lineup previously, it has been his own doing. Whether it was arriving to camp out of shape last season or general ineffectiveness on the court, Samuels has been on a yo-yo his first two years in the league.

This time, it’s different. This time, he did everything asked of him during the summer and in training camp — and he still has started the year behind Luke Walton and out of coach Byron Scott’s rotation. Samuels admits to being discouraged about it. He went home following the shootaround Friday and wondered what else he has to do to get on the court.

Scott’s answer is simple: nothing.

“I told him it was nothing he didn’t do,” Scott said. “It’s just a gut feeling I had and I went with my gut.”

Scott is beginning the year with Walton as his backup power forward because of his experience, passing skills and ability to be a leader on a relatively young second unit. He likes the way Walton can move without the ball and the way he can facilitate for others and be effective without scoring.

But it leaves Samuels in an all-too-familiar place at the end of the bench.

“I just can’t get over that hump,” Samuels said. “This is the hardest I’ve ever worked my whole career. I’m determined to put time and effort into it.”
Samuels was a surprise entrant into the game in the first quarter Friday because Tyler Zeller fell into quick foul trouble, but he isn’t expected to be a regular member of the rotation right now.

Antawn Jamison, now with the Los Angeles Lakers, is still clearly keeping tabs on his former team. He saw Samuels didn’t play in the Cavs’ opener on Tuesday and quickly called him to encourage him. The two spent hours working together during the summer, with Jamison helping to improve his jump shot and court awareness.

“He told me, ‘No matter what, you have to stay professional,’ ” Samuels said. “That kind of gave me a little encouragement for him to take time out of his day. It’s cool he did that.”

Scott keeps reiterating this rotation isn’t permanent. He’s willing to give it a week or so before perhaps making changes. He keeps telling Samuels to stay prepared because his time will come, which was a problem at times in the past.

For now, he has a homework assignment from his mother.

“My mom always tells me when I’m on the bench, I don’t cheer enough,” Samuels said. “I have to work on my cheering so I don’t sit there with that sad face.”
 
I just don't like his attitude on the court. Defensively he seemed a step late all night, a little slow on the pick and roll, and a second behind getting into rebound position. I think he could be a good end of bench player but he needs to change his attitude. The mindset of I did all you asked, why am I not playing is not the type of player I want on this team. He needs to realize he is getting paid to play basketball. Have fun, work hard and be happy when you are given a chance.
 

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