Shurmur and Heckert fired (ESPN)

[Otsego Mar]

If Cleveland comes out and wins, it's not going to matter what anyone else thinks.

I'm also a firm believer that surroundings matter greatly. Is Cleveland the "perfect storm" for a guy like Vick? I don't know.....but you have to question it.

 

[MoFlo]

Can we stop bringing Vick up in multiple threads?

Take all the Vick convo here:

http://realcavsfans.com/showthread.php?41121-Dawg-Pound-among-top-5-landing-spots-for-Michael-Vick-in-2013