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So long, David Griffin

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I exchanged a few tweets with Kevin Pelton on this subject. His argument was that Myers made moves in past seasons that paid off this year. I told him it should be changed to 'GM Lifetime Achievement of the Year' award.

His response was "There's a significant difference between lifetime achievement and moves made in previous seasons that pay off this season."

I think I'm right.

you're definitely right, the award is about who is the best GM this year.
the past moves are irrelevant.
what has he done this year? Barbosa and livingston? are you freaking kidding me lol?
seems like people wanna give GSW every award they can, ridiculous.

Its like giving an executive of the year award for drafting Manu Ginobli with the 57th pick because its turns out he was amazing, past is irrelevant and this was rigged.
I would take 8 GM's over Myers this year still can't believe they gave him this after what griffin and others have done, Livingston and barbosa..... smh
 
you're definitely right, the award is about who is the best GM this year.
the past moves are irrelevant.
what has he done this year? Barbosa and livingston? are you freaking kidding me lol?
seems like people wanna give GSW every award they can, ridiculous.

Its like giving an executive of the year award for drafting Manu Ginobli with the 57th pick because its turns out he was amazing, past is irrelevant and this was rigged.
I would take 8 GM's over Myers this year still can't believe they gave him this after what griffin and others have done, Livingston and barbosa..... smh

Myers did one big thing that won him gm of the year, hired Kerr and the rest of the coaching staff. He also had no questionable moves.
Griffin on the other hand made one or two good trades. The rest were questionable and had possible negative impact on the team in the present and future. Love is up in the air and could go down as one of the worse trades in NBA history. The salary dump trade had more present day negative effects on the team, any one of the assets given up would of help the team now in the rotation or with another trade. Griffins one good trade was driven because he gave up assets like a fire sale earlier in the year. Shump was given to take JR and would of been there if Griffin wanted it. The first was needed to get mozgov. This team lacks depth, Dion, karasev, Zeller, or even Jarret Jack could of helped. The first round pick could of been used to get another player. Even the 2nd round picks to get the corps of Haywood could of been used for someone like Cory brewer.
 
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So according to Pelton, Myers won this year pretty much before the season even started? Seems like an odd argument.

That said, GMs sometimes get too much credit for improving their team in the shortrun while burning long term assets.

Griffin did a bit of this, of course. I still can't understand why he had to give up 3 assets to dump Jack, who wasn't really on a bad contract.

Zeller could have helped this year. But Karasev? Doubt he would have played. Jack had to go though.

I think because people, even those who follow such things closely, still aren't entirely sure what Griffin did this off-season, it's hard to judge him properly.

He traded away 2nd round picks for the next 5 years or whatever, plus Zeller and the 2016 first, and got Haywood and the trade exception, as well as the capspace to sign LeBron (and Joe Harris).

The trade exception (plus the Andy DPE) was absolutely crucial in that it allowed him to add Moz, Shump, and JR. I was critical about giving up all the 2nd rounders, and thought he could have built his depth in a less "creative" way, but Griff deserves a lot of credit for devising a strategy, identifying a player (Moz was always the target), and actually landing him. Well done.

The Moz, Shump, JR trade was A++. May be the best trade in team history under the circumstances. I don't think he predicted how well JR would fit -- some in the FO were said to be against it -- but he rolled the dice and won big -- till the JR suspension anyway.


Myers did one big thing that won him gm of the year, hired Kerr and the rest of the coaching staff. He also had no questionable moves.
Griffin on the other hand made one or two good trades. The rest were questionable and had possible negative impact on the team in the present and future. Love is up in the air and could go down as one of the worse trades in NBA history. The salary dump trade had more present day negative effects on the team, any one of the assets given up would of help the team now in rotation or with another trade. Griffins one good trade was driven because he gave up assets like a fire sale earlier in the year. Shump was given to take JR. The first was needed to get mozgov. This team lacks depth, Dion, karasev, Zeller, or even Jarret jack could of helped. The first round pick could of been used to get another player. Even the 2nd round picks to get the corps of Haywood could of been used for someone like Cory brewer.

I think every GM in the league does the Love trade. Wiggins wasn't ready this year to play a significant role in the playoffs for a team with championship ambitions.

I just don't know what to say about this one. Once you get LeBron back, you are pretty much bound to try to win now. A perennial all star was on the market. You had the assets to get that player. The assets you surrender weren't going to have a significant effect on your team's performance for that year and maybe the next.

Wiggins did improve as the year went on. I personally don't see him as an elite player. An All Star, yes. I am not alone in my opinion. I readily admit I could be wrong.

The trade did serve as salary dump for Bennett. Some on RCF actually wanted to keep him over TT.

Salary dump deal had to happen. The actual deal to Boston may have been driven by ownership, presumably out of panic, but unfortunately for Griff he has to take the blame/credit, as Grant did before him.

Jack could not be kept. He needed to go to create the requisite capspace.
Dion was, at a minimum, a horrible fit (which Griff should have realized, but then he lucked into the in-season trade). Addition by subtraction, which I said in this forum at the time of the Dion trade.
Not having the 2nd round picks had an opportunity cost -- Cavs didn't have wherewithal to get Corey Brewer or Mo Williams. But having Smith/Shump was far, far better than Brewer/Waiters. Griff did well not to panic, when many on RCF were saying he should have.
He didn't use Haywood's contact at the deadline to shore up the bench. No doubt it hurt not having another 2nd rounder or two to throw in a deal. But retaining Haywood gives them more flexibility and a backup plan for this summer.
I supported the Miller and Marion signings. Marion helped at the beginning of the year when the wings were so dreadful. But both players were disappointments.
Anything they got from James Jones was a plus. He had hardly played in years.
At least having Miller and Jones around ensured there wasn't a full-fledged mutiny on this team in the dark days of early January. Plus the FA options were getting thin when the Cavs got into the market, due to LeBron's delay in making his announcement. Still, I said at the time I would have signed Aminu, who was steal for Dallas, and Ellington, a useful player for the Lakers. Both were minimum signings. But these are small gripes, really.

His draft, outside of Wiggins, was uneventful. Had he landed KJ McDaniels (taken one pick before Harris), it would look great. I think McDaniels would have seen minutes on this team. Joe Harris' grade is an incomplete. Dwight Powell is still in the league. Of the players selected after Harris, Jordan Clarkson showed the most, but would he have made it on the court for the Cavs?

Griff's year wasn't perfect, he had a lot of tremendously good luck, and some of what he did was open to second guessing, but on the whole I thought he did a very good job.
 
I know some people were shitting on him, because of our bench. LOL, our bench was shit last year. I mean my goodness, it was not good. He used the money left to sign veterans like Mike Miller, JJ (never that good, but was a good veteran that LeBron loved), and Marion.

Both Marion and Miller were at the end of the road, but still very productive players last year. Signing them at the time was not a bad move. If they produced as the players they were last year, our bench would look a hell of a lot better than it has been.

Does David have a time machine? No one knows for certain when father time comes calling, but both dried up, it was unfortunate.

Made use of what he had, and still produced a hell of a better rotation than we had, with getting Shump/Moz/JR too.

Should have been executive of the year. I don't think he's been 100% flawless, who is, but he's made a significant mark in his first year as GM. And the trades he pulled off saved our season.
 
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I would agree that Griff did a pretty good job. Still not a fan of the Love/Wiggins trade, but Jack had to go in order to sign Lebron and that one cost the team dearly. The real mistake wasn't the trade as much as Paxson/Gilbert signing Jack the year before, much like how bad signings of lousy backups like Ira Newble and Kevin Ollie in the mid-2000s led to other baneful "rescue deals" that ended up hamstringing the team later.
 
Well, the Kevin Love trade to me was fine. Losing Wiggins sucked, but there was just never a way to get him without putting him in the deal. As we can see, Waiters and Bennett are complete trash. The offense needs a stretch 4 to thrive.

Kevin was the guy, he was the ideal fit. For all his ups and downs, its obvious to see we relied a lot on him, and he was still a huge part in our success. Hopefully he can stay healthy going forward. That's probably the only concern going forward.
 
http://sports.walla.co.il/item/2862392

The Journalists Griffin smiles at them and shakes their outstretched hands didn't gave him and the Cavs even one day of grace . Worse, they ridiculed certain decisions he received , questioned his judgment and argued with kind words , he had no idea of his life . But now even the big media stars like Chris Brosard and Brian Oindhorst from ESPN , who ate his liver this season , came to Quicken Loans Arena to transmit live impressions ahead in Game 3 of the NBA Finals to be held in the evening .

This is sweet revenge , but not enough. Griffin , as he was an honest gentleman admits he can not forget and can not forgive those journalists .

"People here wanted me and David Blatt to fail,"
says Griffin exclusively to sports Walla. "Why, because every new thing scares them. The media thought Blatt's appointment is too much 'outside the box' for it to really work, and they wanted Blatt to get fired for all to see that they were right. Blatt never 'bowed' to the NBA, did not say that the NBA is a big deal or apologized for being a rookie coach . That's why people thought he was arrogant, or is disconnected man who doesn't understands the magnitude of the task, but in fact - he is simply not afraid. The journalists were expecting he may show nervousness but he did not blink. "

- You feel that there is a xenophobia in the league ?

"Coaches click (brancha in hebrew) are not always adopted to foreign coaches, as the General Managers click (brancha) in the league not adopting new guys. People accused of 'us that we are new."


- They wrote that LeBron doesn't count Blatt

"Because they do not come to practice . They want to export Clicks for revenue for their sites . I have seen what happens to our training every day and in the locker room . I can see if adjustments are made at the half of the games. Look, LeBron is a genius basketball , probably the best player in the League . he wants to succeed and wants to win championships . Blatt had to explain to him how he wants him to run on the court. it takes time . the good teams in the league playing together for at least 3-4 years . Golden State coach may be new but old puzzle players . We are the only team that its squad and its coaching staff are new . and look where we are . "

- You know the journalists say Lebron, by way of reduction, at least not helped Blat , in the sense that it could stop all the rumors and whispers at the moment if he would say something, but he did not do even this small step towards Blatt, reinforcing that Lebron and Blatt not on the same page.

"I saw their relationship grows and develops on and off the court. Take for example the comment of LeBron after the fifth game series against Chicago. I heard what they said about the reaction of LeBron, who told the coach planned to exercise and he would not make it. Frankly, it's just not was a big deal. Steve Nash was doing things like that. Charles Barkley came out and said he had done it many times.But why the media continued to interpret it in a negative way ? Because it's interesting. Because negativity sells more newspapers in the United States than the truth . Point . If it's a story that everyone is happy, it's not sexy and attractive to journalists . They make it interesting when they make it more negative language " .

- If Blatt win the championship , you think that at least then he will get credit?

Probably not. I do not think he cares . If your goal is to win a championship the win is enough . David has not received even a nomination Coach of the Year . We have not been named Executives of the season . They said about me and Blatt about the same things . But for us it does not matter . Only matter to us whether we win our last game , or lose . Because if you win , the credit is not relevant anyway . "

- How do you see Blatt's future in the club ?


"I think he did an amazing job. Even in difficult periods we have seen a group that plays hard and wants to win. For me, at any stage of the season there was no question about David's future in the club. It was obvious he stays. Those who have seen us make 32:3 run, Sweep Atlanta without Kevin Love and kyrie , and many more, and David is unique in his ability to make the puzzle pieces to work together. Only he will decide about his future with the team. If he's on the plane back after the summer holidays, everything is fine. I am expecting him to complete his contract (3 more years). But you know, this business is like raising a family. You do not know where it can develop. On the other hand, I have no reason to believe that he won't finish his contract ".
 
http://sports.walla.co.il/item/2862392

The Journalists Griffin smiles at them and shakes their outstretched hands didn't gave him and the Cavs even one day of grace . Worse, they ridiculed certain decisions he received , questioned his judgment and argued with kind words , he had no idea of his life . But now even the big media stars like Chris Brosard and Brian Oindhorst from ESPN , who ate his liver this season , came to Quicken Loans Arena to transmit live impressions ahead in Game 3 of the NBA Finals to be held in the evening .

This is sweet revenge , but not enough. Griffin , as he was an honest gentleman admits he can not forget and can not forgive those journalists .

"People here wanted me and David Blatt to fail,"
says Griffin exclusively to sports Walla. "Why, because every new thing scares them. The media thought Blatt's appointment is too much 'outside the box' for it to really work, and they wanted Blatt to get fired for all to see that they were right. Blatt never 'bowed' to the NBA, did not say that the NBA is a big deal or apologized for being a rookie coach . That's why people thought he was arrogant, or is disconnected man who doesn't understands the magnitude of the task, but in fact - he is simply not afraid. The journalists were expecting he may show nervousness but he did not blink. "

- You feel that there is a xenophobia in the league ?

"Coaches click (brancha in hebrew) are not always adopted to foreign coaches, as the General Managers click (brancha) in the league not adopting new guys. People accused of 'us that we are new."


- They wrote that LeBron doesn't count Blatt

"Because they do not come to practice . They want to export Clicks for revenue for their sites . I have seen what happens to our training every day and in the locker room . I can see if adjustments are made at the half of the games. Look, LeBron is a genius basketball , probably the best player in the League . he wants to succeed and wants to win championships . Blatt had to explain to him how he wants him to run on the court. it takes time . the good teams in the league playing together for at least 3-4 years . Golden State coach may be new but old puzzle players . We are the only team that its squad and its coaching staff are new . and look where we are . "

- You know the journalists say Lebron, by way of reduction, at least not helped Blat , in the sense that it could stop all the rumors and whispers at the moment if he would say something, but he did not do even this small step towards Blatt, reinforcing that Lebron and Blatt not on the same page.

"I saw their relationship grows and develops on and off the court. Take for example the comment of LeBron after the fifth game series against Chicago. I heard what they said about the reaction of LeBron, who told the coach planned to exercise and he would not make it. Frankly, it's just not was a big deal. Steve Nash was doing things like that. Charles Barkley came out and said he had done it many times.But why the media continued to interpret it in a negative way ? Because it's interesting. Because negativity sells more newspapers in the United States than the truth . Point . If it's a story that everyone is happy, it's not sexy and attractive to journalists . They make it interesting when they make it more negative language " .

- If Blatt win the championship , you think that at least then he will get credit?

Probably not. I do not think he cares . If your goal is to win a championship the win is enough . David has not received even a nomination Coach of the Year . We have not been named Executives of the season . They said about me and Blatt about the same things . But for us it does not matter . Only matter to us whether we win our last game , or lose . Because if you win , the credit is not relevant anyway . "

- How do you see Blatt's future in the club ?


"I think he did an amazing job. Even in difficult periods we have seen a group that plays hard and wants to win. For me, at any stage of the season there was no question about David's future in the club. It was obvious he stays. Those who have seen us make 32:3 run, Sweep Atlanta without Kevin Love and kyrie , and many more, and David is unique in his ability to make the puzzle pieces to work together. Only he will decide about his future with the team. If he's on the plane back after the summer holidays, everything is fine. I am expecting him to complete his contract (3 more years). But you know, this business is like raising a family. You do not know where it can develop. On the other hand, I have no reason to believe that he won't finish his contract ".
Why do I get the feeling Griffin was trying to say something more? Just seemed like he was not quite sure if Blatt was coming back or not.
 
left the door open for the 'blatt leaves on his own accord' idea, but im not gnna talk about that right now.
 
He knows what the Cavs need and he said it..more youth, and versatile playmakers.
 
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He knows qhat the Cavsneed and he said it..more youth, and versatile playmakers.

He really didn't say youth per se.

Maybe youth compared to Marion/Miller/Jones/Haywood.

But not rookies and guys who are not ready for playoff contributions. He specifically reference versatile playmakers who are between 26-30 years old. Guys in their prime mentally and physically, or just entering it.

Now all that said, I'm not going to be mad if we end up taking someone like Jerian Grant or Justin Anderson at 24.

Also just for kicks, would love to see us take Larry Nance Jr. with that late 2nd round pick
 
Cavs end of season media availability summary (starts around the 9 minute mark)

-"We intend to keep this group together."
- 33-3 together when fully healthy, regular and postseason included
-"We'll extend qualifying offers to both Dellavedova and Shumpert"
-"Ownership is going to support this [building the team] at the absolute deepest level"
-"No concerns other than what is the right piece to win. We are about delivering championships. That's all we are about."
-"We are blessed in a way that no other front office or coaching staff can be in terms of the support we can get [from ownership]"
-Blatt intends to stay here & coach
-"We fully intend to keep Tristan"
-"We assume LeBron & Love will opt out and become free agents...I have no reason to believe they won't be back"

Griffin slams the sensationalized media for how they treated the Cavs all year:

-"So many ridiculous story lines about our team all year"
-"I don't understand why we can't have a positive narrative about what this group did for each other and for the city"

-“You don't go 33‑3 with those guys healthy and put together the team we had, have it be an offensive juggernaut, and then have to turn around and play without them, be a defensively stifling team that literally chokes the life out of a 61-win team and sweeps them in a playoff series and have your coach not do a hell of a job. He did. I think our whole staff did,” Griffin said. “And we literally won an incredible number of games against very, very good teams playing radically different styles from each other. So from a purely basketball perspective, I'm not quite sure exactly what anybody is looking to have happen.”

http://www.nba.com/cavaliers/live
 

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