So long, David Griffin

[LeShaq]

Korver and Williams looking very good.

Can't wait for more reinforcements to come (point guard, center?).

 

[TitleTown]

When Griffin drastically improves this team by the trade deadline, how many of the EXACT SAME bitches will be complaining next year?

My guess: all of them.

Only ignorance fails to admit to the brilliance that is David Griffin. We are fucking lucky to have a GM this good in Cleveland. Fucking lucky.

 

[Cassity14]

When Griffin drastically improves this team by the trade deadline, how many of the EXACT SAME bitches will be complaining next year?

My guess: all of them.

Only ignorance fails to admit to the brilliance that is David Griffin. We are fucking lucky to have a GM this good in Cleveland. Fucking lucky.

Were the complaints about the poorly-handled off-season misplaced though?

 

[TitleTown]

Were the complaints about the poorly-handled off-season misplaced though?

I don't think we should have let Delly walk, but if we end up with a MUCH deeper team by the trade deadline--one that includes a backup PG--then it wasn't a bad decision.

 

[Cassity14]

I don't think we should have let Delly walk, but if we end up with a MUCH deeper team by the trade deadline--one that includes a backup PG--then it wasn't a bad decision.

I don't think those things were mutually exclusive though. Williams will be on a minimum contract and the Korver trade didn't exactly add salary. The Korver trade was incredible and Williams looks to be a good find, but I don't think it's unfair at all to label the offseason horrible.

They let Delly walk, expected Mo to adequately replace him, signed Birdman, and traded for Dunleavy. All of those moves were really bad in hindsight.

I'm very glad that Griffin has nearly rectified all of those mistakes, but calling out people for judging him on both positives and negatives seems silly.

 

[TitleTown]

I don't think those things were mutually exclusive though. Williams will be on a minimum contract and the Korver trade didn't exactly add salary. The Korver trade was incredible and Williams looks to be a good find, but I don't think it's unfair at all to label the offseason horrible.

They let Delly walk, expected Mo to adequately replace him, signed Birdman, and traded for Dunleavy. All of those moves were really bad in hindsight.

I'm very glad that Griffin has nearly rectified all of those mistakes, but calling out people for judging him on both positives and negatives seems silly.

I disagree. The only "bad" decision was letting Delly walk. The rest just didn't pan out like we hoped, and Birdman was NEVER anything but injury insurance.

And as far as Delly goes, that was clearly a financial decision which sits squarely on the shoulders of the ownership group and Gilbert.

For three years in a row Griffin has significantly improved the team by the trade deadline. Based on the additions of Korver and Williams we will be a legit 10 men deep once healthy.

It's all part of the same process, and in my opinion, we are too quick to judge the process before it's finished.

 

[Nphan]

I don't think we should have let Delly walk, but if we end up with a MUCH deeper team by the trade deadline--one that includes a backup PG--then it wasn't a bad decision.

Still bad. If we had Delly, no reason to find a backup PG and instead use the assets for someone else or sign someone else (however we will get a pg) . Not signing Delly to 2 years ago to a cheap contract 5-7 millions) will always be Griffins biggest mistake and it caused a dominoes affect: LeBron playing 38 mins this year, no defensive intensity that only Delly can bring 100% of the time he's on t he court and having to find d a backup PG.

 

[Cavsfan1985]

Still bad. If we had Delly, no reason to find a backup PG and instead use the assets for someone else or sign someone else (however we will get a pg) . Not signing Delly to 2 years ago to a cheap contract 5-7 millions) will always be Griffins biggest mistake and it caused a dominoes affect: LeBron playing 38 mins this year, no defensive intensity that only Delly can bring 100% of the time he's on t he court and having to find d a backup PG.

Here is the issue, how is this on Griffin? We did not want to spend the money then, and we could not afford him this year. Our payroll would have been 10mm+ And the luxery tax would have been 25mm+ if we had kept Delly. It's not like we let Delly walk because we did not want him, we just could not afford a backup pg making 10+ a year when you have Irving at a max.

 

[Cassity14]

Here is the issue, how is this on Griffin? We did not want to spend the money then, and we could not afford him this year. Our payroll would have been 10mm+ And the luxery tax would have been 25mm+ if we had kept Delly. It's not like we let Delly walk because we did not want him, we just could not afford a backup pg making 10+ a year when you have Irving at a max.

I don't think the decision two years ago had anything to do with money. Griffin wasn't comfortable giving Delly a long term contract because in his view, he hadn't seen enough.

Delly then proved him wrong last season and played his way into big money.

The issue with the whole situation is that everyone knew about the incoming cap jump and the big contracts that would come with it. Having a young, serviceable, capable backup guard on a cheap contract seemed like a no brainer, even if Delly had regressed a bit last season.

If the Cavs could have 2015 Delly at 5 million dollars right now, let alone what Delly evolved into, it would be a bargain.

 

[JMoneyYourHoney]

If the Cavs could have 2015 Delly at 5 million dollars right now, let alone what Delly evolved into, it would be a bargain.

Reports were that Delly wanted 4, which means we probably could have gotten him for 3-3.5.

That kind of money for a guy who can run an offense, shoot 40% from 3, pester opposing guards with 110% effort, and perhaps most importantly preserve Kyrie for the postseason?

Griffin's great but he isn't infallible.

 

[shoes22]

My biggest issue with Griffin is he really seems to have the mindset that everything can be solved with more offense.

To his credit, that approach has worked fantastically well for him so far, I just don’t know how sustainable it is.

 

[Cavsfan1985]

Reports were that Delly wanted 4, which means we probably could have gotten him for 3-3.5.

That kind of money for a guy who can run an offense, shoot 40% from 3, pester opposing guards with 110% effort, and perhaps most importantly preserve Kyrie for the postseason?

Again these were reports, and we don't know if money was an issue. We paid Delly 1.1MM last year, had we given him $4-$5 MM that would have cost us another $7.5MM - $10MM in luxury tax. Who knows, had we gave Delly the money last year, do we still make the trade to get Frye?

We had a record payroll and luxury tax last year. You cant act like adding 15MM more to last year salary does not constitute a money decision.

 

[Dr. Gymbo]

I disagree. The only "bad" decision was letting Delly walk. The rest just didn't pan out like we hoped, and Birdman was NEVER anything but injury insurance.

And as far as Delly goes, that was clearly a financial decision which sits squarely on the shoulders of the ownership group and Gilbert.

For three years in a row Griffin has significantly improved the team by the trade deadline. Based on the additions of Korver and Williams we will be a legit 10 men deep once healthy.

It's all part of the same process, and in my opinion, we are too quick to judge the process before it's finished.

I don't think the mistake was letting him walk; it was not re-signing him in the summer of 2015 and offering only the QO.

 

[Cavsfan1985]

Still bad. If we had Delly, no reason to find a backup PG and instead use the assets for someone else or sign someone else (however we will get a pg) . Not signing Delly to 2 years ago to a cheap contract 5-7 millions) will always be Griffins biggest mistake and it caused a dominoes affect: LeBron playing 38 mins this year, no defensive intensity that only Delly can bring 100% of the time he's on t he court and having to find d a backup PG.

Also, had Mo not punked us, we would not be looking for a backup PG. Mo would have done fine giving us 8-10 mins a night in the back up PG role. I am not saying Griffin is god like or anything. You cant just look at an individual move in a vacuum.

 

[shoes22]

Again these were reports, and we don't know if money was an issue. We paid Delly 1.1MM last year, had we given him $4-$5 MM that would have cost us another $7.5MM - $10MM in luxury tax. Who knows, had we gave Delly the money last year, do we still make the trade to get Frye?

I say yes we would, only because in a separate trade we dumped Varejao to save tax money, and there is no way in hell LeBron would support dumping a player without getting more talent back in return. Not after what happened with Mike Miller in Miami.