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So long, David Griffin

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TyGuy said:
Indeed, but we needed a bigger more athletic body to be more of a deterrent at bare minimum.

He had the easiest points I've ever see off of free dunks and nobody having either enough size of quickness to throw him off just a tiny bit.
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Or you need a big guy to put him on his ass. Someone that can rotate off Zaza and hit him HARD every time he gets a thought of coming in the paint. If only we had a big 7 footer that played defense...
 
The cavs were longing for bench production this series.. We needed playmaking which deron never provided and spacing/3pt that kyle seldom gave.. Shump was great defensively but was never an offensive threat.. I hope the cavs bring back korver and derrick williams and incorporate them with the line up this off season.. We desperately need athleticism and scoring off the bench and rj is too old and frye too liable on defense..
 
pinoycavsfan said:
The cavs were longing for bench production this series.. We needed playmaking which deron never provided and spacing/3pt that kyle seldom gave.. Shump was great defensively but was never an offensive threat.. I hope the cavs bring back korver and derrick williams and incorporate them with the line up this off season.. We desperately need athleticism and scoring off the bench and rj is too old and frye too liable on defense..
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I think that's the biggest concern. The guys we brought on, at least on paper, seemed to fill the roles we so desperately needed. Korver's 3-PT cannons and Deron Williams as a backup PG was a no-brainer.

For one reason or another, that didn't work out. It's Griff's job (if he's still our GM, of course), to find out why and to then discern a solution.
 
Need a few playmakers who don't completely crumble. I still love Deron but he shit the bed. A tad disappointing. You still gotta make that move 10/10.
 
This is what Lebron was talking about earlier in the year when that idiot sellout Barkley said he was whining. We need someone else who can score or make passes when putting the ball on the floor.
 
Bye griff. Trading for korver when we needed a defender. Letting liggins go for dahntay jones who did absolutely nothing. Not addressing backup PG until halfway though the season. All those over priced contracts that had no other bidders now you're stuck with them. Terrible terrible moves.
 
tbh, i wouldn't want this guy's job. we have to get more athletic, younger, and better all the while were in the repeater tax and have little assets. he may be against the rope.
 
I don't venture into these threads very much at all but are we really talking about how bad David Griffin is and what a mistake it was to sign Lue to a long term contract? Seriously guys?

This team is constructed well around LeBron. No we do not have a true 7'0 rim protector. We did try a few things, Bogut, Sanders, Tavares. Bogut was just terrible luck but a great signing at the time, Sanders was a reasonable hail mary shot that didn't pan out and Tavares is probably table scraps. We did not get a backup PG for this season and that was a missed opportunity but Deron Williams late in the season was not all that bad.

We have an active roster, a lot of 3 point shooters that gives LeBron the room to drive and kick or take it himself. We are unguardable by every standard you can set. The roster is strategically set to maximize our 2 best players, LeBron and Kyrie.

As good as we are, and we are good, Golden State is MUCH better. Their talent is evident and I'm not sure what we could have reasonably done to counter them.

Griffin is a top tier GM in this league and it would be a major loss if he were to be allowed to leave.
 
cavsfan1985 said:
Let's all remember, a 73 win team added Kevin fucking Durant with cap space, because the two time defending MVP was making 12 million per year. Not much any team could do to add that much talent while giving away nothing.
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Yea. I think some of his moves are questionable, but ultimately, does PJ Tucker instead of Kyle Korver make a difference? At all? LIke even one game's worth of difference?

No.

I'm sorry guys, but there is no magic elixir here. This is the state of the NBA. We will be underdogs until Klay Thompson and/or Draymond Green's contract is up.

I know it's depressing, but such is life.
 
Griff is a pretty good GM but made mistakes. Lack of cap flexibility or draft picks moving forward, that's on him, it's not something he inherited. He was too complacent with last year's championship team. It wasn't a surprise we would have to match up with GS+Durant in the Finals this year. The problems with this team in terms of matching up with GS -- too old/unathletic, not enough plus defenders, no one to guard Durant, lack of a bench, inability to function without Lebron on the court -- were clear enough and the Finals outcome was predictable.

It is tough luck though because in a "normal" NBA and with decent injury luck this is a team that would have three-peated -- we would have beat GS in 2015 with Kyrie/Love, and would have beat them this year if they didn't have Durant.

Going forward, he needs to break his addiction to elderly three point shooters who can't defend and build a more balanced team, if that's possible. And we need to take risks to get a two-way star in here, a Butler or a Paul George.
 
cavsfever said:
Griff is a pretty good GM but made mistakes. Lack of cap flexibility or draft picks moving forward, that's on him, it's not something he inherited. He was too complacent with last year's championship team. It wasn't a surprise we would have to match up with GS+Durant in the Finals this year. The problems with this team in terms of matching up with GS -- too old/unathletic, not enough plus defenders, no one to guard Durant, lack of a bench, inability to function without Lebron on the court -- were clear enough and the Finals outcome was predictable.

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It is hard to fault him for cap flexibility when you are paying 3 players the Max. The salary cap last year was 94MM, and our top 3 guys made 71MM of it. Where for the Warriors their top 4 players made 71MM, with Durant making the most at 26MM. Put that in perspective, Curry, Thompson & Green only made 44MM last year.

I can being upset with Griff but we had no way to add any players last off-season that would have played in the finals this year and made a difference.
 
cavsfever said:
Griff is a pretty good GM but made mistakes. Lack of cap flexibility or draft picks moving forward, that's on him, it's not something he inherited. He was too complacent with last year's championship team. It wasn't a surprise we would have to match up with GS+Durant in the Finals this year. The problems with this team in terms of matching up with GS -- too old/unathletic, not enough plus defenders, no one to guard Durant, lack of a bench, inability to function without Lebron on the court -- were clear enough and the Finals outcome was predictable.

It is tough luck though because in a "normal" NBA and with decent injury luck this is a team that would have three-peated -- we would have beat GS in 2015 with Kyrie/Love, and would have beat them this year if they didn't have Durant.

Going forward, he needs to break his addiction to elderly three point shooters who can't defend and build a more balanced team, if that's possible. And we need to take risks to get a two-way star in here, a Butler or a Paul George.
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Great points. I know basketball doesn't work this easy but if we could get PG and then acquire Melo for bench scraps we would be set.

People say Melo is an iso player, sure, but watching him play around talent in the Olympics he's clearly great taking advantage of open looks and space. Something Love is inconsistent with. He's not the type that needs touches to get rythm to knock down wide open shots. Some fans tend to outsmart themselves when they try to predict who and who would be a great fit. I know I did when I tried to predict that Lebron and Love would be a lethal pairing
 
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