Star Wars: The Force Awakens teaser #2

[MD13]

They really need to explain how a stormtrooper isn't a clone...

I mean they dedicated an entire movie to that concept (albeit a shitty movie).

Something I never got... If the storm troopers were all clones from a supposedly superior specimen like Jango Fett, how come none of them could hit the broad side of a barn with their blasters?

 

[gourimoko]

I don't think that's what'll happen, but I'll put Force Awakens spoilers JIC.

If they use a major storyline from the EU, my guess is that the movie will just state it as exposition early in the movie, then move onto the real plot. Can't imagine they'll use an EU storyline as the main story, otherwise they'd just make the Thrawn Trilogy. So if you know a bunch of EU stuff, and it isn't referenced in the 1st act, it probably never happened in this canon. IMO.

I honestly think some of the rumors are correct, and that this is largely based on the EU but it's been retooled.

Like, it makes a lot of sense that Ben Skywalker isn't a guy raised as a Jedi but is now this girl who doesn't know really who or what she is (reboot of Luke).

Some of the comments here, when taken into consideration of the EU, do make tremendous sense.

 

[TyGuy]

Something I never got... If the storm troopers were all clones from a supposedly superior specimen like Jango Fett, how come none of them could hit the broad side of a barn with their blasters?

They were still more accurate than sand people.

 

[gourimoko]

They really need to explain how a stormtrooper isn't a clone...

I mean they dedicated an entire movie to that concept (albeit a shitty movie).

@col63onel nailed this already, but stormtroopers are not necessarily all clones.

The Clone Wars were fought by Clone Troopers which are the precursor to the Stormtrooper. By the time the Galactic Civil War began the Fett clones were a minority of the Stormtrooper force; with the rest being clones from different "templates" as well as (primarily) human recruits.

Since this takes place literally 50 years after Ep. 3, those clones are all assuredly dead. And this Stormtrooper corps is very likely composed by a majority of recruits.

Lastly, we don't know if Boyega is a clone from a different template or not. He very well could be a clone; it would give his character greater dimension.

 

[gourimoko]

Something I never got... If the storm troopers were all clones from a supposedly superior specimen like Jango Fett, how come none of them could hit the broad side of a barn with their blasters?

Skill isn't genetic.

 

[MD13]

Skill isn't genetic.

I also assume that you pair these prime physical attributes with the best training programs that the empire could offer. Obviously the whole original trilogy wouldnt have made sense if storm troopers were able to kill the good guys before it started, i just wonder why Lucas spent so much time emphasizing how supposedly superior they were.

 

[gourimoko]

Kylo Ren is the guy who's wearing a Vader-ish mask. Played by Adam Driver but you don't see his face. He's obviously a villain.

Poe Dameron is played by Oscar Isaac. Oscar Isaac was in the Russel Crowe Robin Hood, Ex-Machina and A Most Violent Year. He plays an X-Wing pilot and is a good guy.

John Boyega is actually the actor's name. He plays the black stormtrooper who is wielding a blue lightsaber at the end. The character's name is Finn. He's probably a good guy.

There's been a lot of speculation by fanboys like me about who/what they are. But other than what has been shown in the trailers, we know almost nothing about them, so all of the speculation could be 100% wrong. There are books and comics that explore their backstory, but it doesn't affect your understanding of the movie, per Lucasfilm people.

People are saying Boyega is the main lead in this movie, but I'm not seeing the same thing.

It seems Daisy Ridley is being primed for that role. I know she's not getting top billing, but that might be a Qui-Gon kind of thing.

Having read some thoughts here, that I agree with, I think she's definitely a Skywalker, and not just any Skywalker but Luke's daughter. Which would mean the trilogy is going to largely shift onto her shoulders by the next film, at least, in my view.

We'll see though. Boyega is the best actor of the lot (so people say) and is also the most well known. It definitely seems like Abrams is putting him in the Luke Skywalker, learning-to-be-a-Jedi, role.

Was just talking to a colleague and it appears we've actually switched positions on this too.. Lol! I was trashing Abrams and saying I'm very concerned, and he was saying he had high hopes. After the trailer, I'm very hopeful and think Abrams might be on to something and he's pissed off saying the trailer looks like Star Trek minus the lens flares.

So, my final word on it is, Go Abrams! Let's see what you can do, man. May the Force be with you!

 

[gourimoko]

I also assume that you pair these prime physical attributes with the best training programs that the empire could offer.

There is no empire to train them. Clone troopers were trained by the good folks on Kamino.

When the Empire is finally restructured and the start of the Galactic Civil War actually begins, the Clone Troopers are absorbed into the Stormtrooper Corps which is a majority human recruits and other clone templates.

Obviously the whole original trilogy wouldnt have made sense if storm troopers were able to kill the good guys before it started, i just wonder why Lucas spent so much time emphasizing how supposedly superior they were.

Lucas had an idea about the Clone Wars long before the prequel trilogy came about. They might have superior traits, but that doesn't mean the have the skill of Jango Fett.

Also, cloning troopers is likely cheaper due to their accelerated growth. Such that, in only a few years, you could raise a massive army without salaries, pensions, etc.

In the prequels, the big sticking point about the clones was that someone was building a secret army to start (and potentially win) a war; and that this person was a Jedi claiming to work for the Republic. This lets you, the viewer, know right away that there is a nefarious plot to very likely overthrow the Republic (if you didn't already know, lol).

 

[MD13]

There is no empire to train them. Clone troopers were trained by the good folks on Kamino.

When the Empire is finally restructured and the start of the Galactic Civil War actually begins, the Clone Troopers are absorbed into the Stormtrooper Corps which is a majority human recruits and other clone templates.



Lucas had an idea about the Clone Wars long before the prequel trilogy came about. They might have superior traits, but that doesn't mean the have the skill of Jango Fett.

Also, cloning troopers is likely cheaper due to their accelerated growth. Such that, in only a few years, you could raise a massive army without salaries, pensions, etc.

In the prequels, the big sticking point about the clones was that someone was building a secret army to start (and potentially win) a war; and that this person was a Jedi claiming to work for the Republic. This lets you, the viewer, know right away that there is a nefarious plot to very likely overthrow the Republic (if you didn't already know, lol).

I mean, im not saying they should all be Jango/Boba Fett. Im just saying their complete lack of anything resembling skill (in episodes 4-6) makes it hard to believe that they had ever picked up a gun before, let alone were a supposedly unstoppable army that helped conquer the galaxy.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

I mean, im not saying they should all be Jango/Boba Fett. Im just saying their complete lack of anything resembling skill (in episodes 4-6) makes it hard to believe that they had ever picked up a gun before, let alone were a supposedly unstoppable army that helped conquer the galaxy.

I think most people probably just ignore that rather cartoonish fighting in those episodes. If you take it seriously, then...Ewoks.

I think you just have to concede that point to the filmmakers, and move on.

Decently trained troops nowadays can consistently drop a target at 200 meters, and that's with iron sights, much less the kind of sophisticated referring they'd have had.

 

[macbdog]

Kylo Ren is the guy who's wearing a Vader-ish mask. Played by Adam Driver but you don't see his face. He's obviously a villain.

Poe Dameron is played by Oscar Isaac. Oscar Isaac was in the Russel Crowe Robin Hood, Ex-Machina and A Most Violent Year. He plays an X-Wing pilot and is a good guy.

John Boyega is actually the actor's name. He plays the black stormtrooper who is wielding a blue lightsaber at the end. The character's name is Finn. He's probably a good guy.

There's been a lot of speculation by fanboys like me about who/what they are. But other than what has been shown in the trailers, we know almost nothing about them, so all of the speculation could be 100% wrong. There are books and comics that explore their backstory, but it doesn't affect your understanding of the movie, per Lucasfilm people.

Too late, I'm taking everything you posted as official canon. I'll berate the film if it differs. That being said, here what I know so far (and by know I mean just popped in my head while on the can):

Spoiler: my theory

The chick is Luke's daughter, only he is as bad a father as his was and he doesn't really know her. She grows up with a pissed off abandoned mom who just talks shit about him, his stupid force and makes her daughter self loathing ( I am no one) so she goes all white girl rebellion- goes all steam punk (robbing trash dumps for cool old electronic crap) and hanging out with black guys (moms super racist and doesn't know he's a pretty good guy). She finally meets her uncle, though, and her world gets turned upside down when she finds out the truth (although mom was right, her uncle hadn't changed his clothes in 30 years). She finally meets her dad, Luke, and they bond.

We don't see Luke because they are setting us up for him to die- that is who the chick is crying over (Luke's in a wooly coat). Either the evil Zach Braff or the Chrome Amazon (she better be super bad ass) kill him. She vows revenge and the new young trio- chick, pilot guy and black guy plus robot companions set out to avenge Luke's death and prevent the return of the Empire

I'm pretty sure I nailed it.

 

[gourimoko]

I mean, im not saying they should all be Jango/Boba Fett. Im just saying their complete lack of anything resembling skill (in episodes 4-6) makes it hard to believe that they had ever picked up a gun before, let alone were a supposedly unstoppable army that helped conquer the galaxy.

The guys in Ep.4-6 mostly are not clones. They are mostly human-only recruits and conscripts from around the galaxy. The need for tremendous amounts of individuals immediately makes recruiting and conscription more practical than growing an army.

 

[BimboColesHair]

Anyone catch the Mandalorian symbol when Han, Finn, and Rey are heading into that building...

 

[theSTEREO.]

To @gourimoko's point, if anyone watched the Clone Wars TV series, the clones were varying in skill, personality, rank, etc. Some were leaders, some were not, and all had individual personalities. So I'm sure some clones were expert marksman, but I can see why it makes sense that all were not.

 

[spydy13]

Was just talking to a colleague and it appears we've actually switched positions on this too.. Lol! I was trashing Abrams and saying I'm very concerned, and he was saying he had high hopes. After the trailer, I'm very hopeful and think Abrams might be on to something and he's pissed off saying the trailer looks like Star Trek minus the lens flares.

So, my final word on it is, Go Abrams! Let's see what you can do, man. May the Force be with you!

I got a Christopher Nolan vibe from that trailer, in that he's building/returning to a dirty, "realistic" universe. His Star Trek films, imo, were very colorful and futuristic.

Needless to say, I'm quite excited, and what I'm seeing from JJ is better than expected (and always thought he would do a good job).