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Re: So Clippers owner Donald Sterling is extremely racist

Why would he apologize about being illegally recorded (possibly) and judging by his last quote the chick could be tried for extortion too?

If I'm Sterling I'm filing several law suits against the NBA, the chick, her "friend", TMZ (defamation), and ESPN (defamation).

I mean, I get that it was probably illegally recorded, but, that doesn't mean he still shouldn't apologize for saying some pretty racist shit.
 
Re: So Clippers owner Donald Sterling is extremely racist

I'm kind of torn with this whole Donald Sterling deal. The guy is undoubtedly a turd, but I don't know if he should be forced to sell his team because of statements he made in the privacy of his own home. In a world where people are up in arms about the government infringing on their privacy, no one seems to be concerned with Sterling's privacy. You're allowed to have archaic views or thoughts in this country. The only hang up for me is what do you do when those views become public? You can't put the proverbial jack back in the box. I completely understand why Silver acted as he did. From a players' perspective, I completely understand the outrage. As a black guy, I understand the knee jerk reaction to say "Fuck Donald Sterling". But as an American I just find the breakdown of our privacy disturbing as well as the repercussions your private thoughts and conversations have on your livelihood.

I am as big of a proponent of freedom as anyone, but, according to Sterling's mistress, he agreed to be recorded so as to help him remember things. If this were true, then he agreed to being recorded. Regardless of the reason, his mistress recorded it with hardware that she owned, making the recording her property, which, again, if he agreed to this, makes it legally hers. If it's her property, then she can do whatever she wants with such a recording without infringing upon anyone's rights. In the state of California, both parties are required to consent to the recording of a conversation, which would be fulfilled if Sterling did agree. It's not Sterling's mistress' fault that he did not have the foresight to realize that, by consenting to such a recording, she could do whatever she wanted with it. Again, this is if he did agree to the recording.

If he didn't agree to the recording, then I completely agree that she had no right to release that recording and that his mistress should be in legal trouble. The problem is proving that he agreed or didn't agree to the recording. However, I do agree with how the NBA handled things regardless of whether or not the recording was acquired legally. When that type of information becomes public for everyone to see, the NBA has to do something about it. The NBA is not bound by laws of prosecution such as having to legally acquire evidence. Although a court room couldn't use such a recording against Sterling should it have been illegally obtained (such as if this recording were used against him in some of his discrimination cases), the NBA can. The NBA just has to follow the rules when ousting Sterling, but those powers are so great that it should be an inevitability. It might take longer than expected, depending on how much Sterling wants to draw it out, but it will eventually happen.

Btw, I didn't see these posted here, so I thought I'd add them.

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/05/v-stiviano-barbara-walters - Interview with Sterling's mistress.
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/05/donald-sterling-advice-clippers-scandal - Article stating that Sterling went against FO's recommendation for options concerning statement releases.
 
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Re: So Clippers owner Donald Sterling is extremely racist

If it okay for the government to force a person to sell their house because they used racist statements?
 
Re: So Clippers owner Donald Sterling is extremely racist

Why would he apologize about being illegally recorded (possibly) and judging by his last quote the chick could be tried for extortion too?

If I'm Sterling I'm filing several law suits against the NBA, the chick, her "friend", TMZ (defamation), and ESPN (defamation).

defamation: from wikipedia - the communication of a false statement that harms the reputation of an individual, business, product, group, government, religion, or nation.... Under common law, to constitute defamation, a claim must generally be false and have been made to someone other than the person defamed

How can playing a persons own statements be considered defamation?
 
If it okay for the government to force a person to sell their house because they used racist statements?

I think the point of this whole thing is it has NOTHING to do with the government. There are no first amendment rights being squashed here.

A better analogy for this situation is if you were awarded membership of an exclusive club, which was later revoked.
 
Re: So Clippers owner Donald Sterling is extremely racist

Sterling is an owner. The clippers are his property. He did not join the club. He started it.

With the poor way the nba has handled this sterling is going to take the nba to court for years. There is no precedent for voting out an owner. Coercing a private property owner is unlawful. Even cuban questions whether the nba is doing the right thing. The answer is they are not.
 
Re: So Clippers owner Donald Sterling is extremely racist

If it okay for the government to force a person to sell their house because they used racist statements?

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Re: So Clippers owner Donald Sterling is extremely racist

Property rights. Not freedom of speech. Dodo birds.
 
Re: So Clippers owner Donald Sterling is extremely racist

Sterling is an owner. The clippers are his property. He did not join the club. He started it.

With the poor way the nba has handled this sterling is going to take the nba to court for years. There is no precedent for voting out an owner. Coercing a private property owner is unlawful. Even cuban questions whether the nba is doing the right thing. The answer is they are not.

The Clippers aren't his property though. The Clippers are a franchise of the NBA. He franchises a team from the NBA.

If I own a franchise of a fast food resturant... Say McDonalds... And I do something that hurts McDonalds, they can pull my franchise license. They didn't take my resturant, they didn't take my ovens, or friers, or refrigerators. The only thing they took was the right of mine to use the McDonalds name. They took the menu and naming rights away. I am no longer able to operate under the McDonaldds brand.

Exact same thing here. The NBA is no longer allowing Sterling to operate under the NBA. They are taking his franchise rights away. Unfortunately since the Clippers, their contracts, etc are all licensed as part of the NBA... Those things go as well.
 
Re: So Clippers owner Donald Sterling is extremely racist

Donald Sterling will not be buying any of that nonsense. There's nothing that says the nba can take away his property because of racist statements. Sterling wrote the nba constitution, he's an original owner. It comes down to whether the owners vote him out. A slippery slope for the nba. Who's to say they don't vote out other owners as well who are not well liked.
 
Re: So Clippers owner Donald Sterling is extremely racist

What should happen is the owners refuse to vote out Sterling. Sterling keeps the team. The clippers players refuse to play. The fans boycott the games. The clippers net worth drops 500 million and Sterling pays a real price for his racism./end blue sky.
 
Donald Sterling will not be buying any of that nonsense. There's nothing that says the nba can take away his property because of racist statements. Sterling wrote the nba constitution, he's an original owner. It comes down to whether the owners vote him out. A slippery slope for the nba. Who's to say they don't vote out other owners as well who are not well liked.

Sterling wrote the NBA constitution and was an original owner? What the hell are you on about? Sterling bought the team in 1981. He isn't even the founder of the franchise...he bought it from Irv Levin.
 
Re: So Clippers owner Donald Sterling is extremely racist

I wish people understood that in this country you can contract for just about anything. There are very few things that if you stuck into a contract a court would just ignore. If you join an organization that has as part of its charter/constitution the ability to take away your property it is not unlawful. You joined it. You contracted for it. You are bound by your decisions.

Now, I'm not sure the NBA constitution actually gives the owners this power, but they think it does. The meaning of the terms found in the various clauses is what's going to be litigated over. But I keep seeing "property rights" and it just has no place in this discussion.
 
Re: So Clippers owner Donald Sterling is extremely racist

I wish people understood that in this country you can contract for just about anything. There are very few things that if you stuck into a contract a court would just ignore. If you join an organization that has as part of its charter/constitution the ability to take away your property it is not unlawful. You joined it. You contracted for it. You are bound by your decisions.

Now, I'm not sure the NBA constitution actually gives the owners this power, but they think it does. The meaning of the terms found in the various clauses is what's going to be litigated over. But I keep seeing "property rights" and it just has no place in this discussion.

I'm pretty sure that you're onto something. By buying an NBA team, he signed into a contract which allows a 75% of owners to kick him out of ownership. He's going to lose this battle in the end. If he tries giving the team to anyone in his family in an attempt to keep the team in a way, the players will very likely not play.
 

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