Sterling surrenders control of Clippers to Shelly (pg 35)

[Cavsfan1985]

Re: So Clippers owner Donald Sterling is extremely racist

If the vote stats private. No way the votes are there. If it goes public, it would most likely pass.

 

[caf]

Re: So Clippers owner Donald Sterling is extremely racist

Hey cafemerald...

No punishment for Shaq.

How do you feel about the NBA right now?

The same as I felt before. A large company with an agenda to make money.

Coca Cola and Nestle has bought many fresh water lakes forcing nearby natives to lose their irrigation source for their crops and water to drink.

Companies do what is in the best interest of the company. Not sure why that is surprising. I'm also not sure why you are so vocal about this and not the other inhumane atrocities other companies do in the interest of profit.

Maybe you're naive, or maybe you're trying to defend an illogical opinion. But the fact that Shaq wasn't fined doesn't change my opinion that his controversial incident was no where near as hateful as Sterlings repeated actions. Ignorant? Yes. Filled with malice? No.

If you are trying to use the NBAs lack of response as some type of evidence to sway that opinion, it isn't going to work. The NBAs response to these actions has nothing to do with my opinion. Do I think Sterling should inherently lose his club for his private comments? No. Not from an ideal standpoint. But this isn't a perfect world. His comments were bad for business and as such... he had to go. Period. How you don't get that is mind blowing to me.

 

[CleveRocks]

Re: So Clippers owner Donald Sterling is extremely racist

The same as I felt before. A large company with an agenda to make money.

Coca Cola and Nestle has bought many fresh water lakes forcing nearby natives to lose their irrigation source for their crops and water to drink.

Companies do what is in the best interest of the company. Not sure why that is surprising. I'm also not sure why you are so vocal about this and not the other inhumane atrocities other companies do in the interest of profit.

Maybe you're naive, or maybe you're trying to defend an illogical opinion. But the fact that Shaq wasn't fined doesn't change my opinion that his controversial incident was no where near as hateful as Sterlings repeated actions. Ignorant? Yes. Filled with malice? No.

If you are trying to use the NBAs lack of response as some type of evidence to sway that opinion, it isn't going to work. The NBAs response to these actions has nothing to do with my opinion. Do I think Sterling should inherently lose his club for his private comments? No. Not from an ideal standpoint. But this isn't a perfect world. His comments were bad for business and as such... he had to go. Period. How you don't get that is mind blowing to me.

Which lakes are you referring to?

 

[The Voice]

Re: So Clippers owner Donald Sterling is extremely racist

The same as I felt before. A large company with an agenda to make money.

Coca Cola and Nestle has bought many fresh water lakes forcing nearby natives to lose their irrigation source for their crops and water to drink.

Companies do what is in the best interest of the company. Not sure why that is surprising. I'm also not sure why you are so vocal about this and not the other inhumane atrocities other companies do in the interest of profit.

Maybe you're naive, or maybe you're trying to defend an illogical opinion. But the fact that Shaq wasn't fined doesn't change my opinion that his controversial incident was no where near as hateful as Sterlings repeated actions. Ignorant? Yes. Filled with malice? No.

If you are trying to use the NBAs lack of response as some type of evidence to sway that opinion, it isn't going to work. The NBAs response to these actions has nothing to do with my opinion. Do I think Sterling should inherently lose his club for his private comments? No. Not from an ideal standpoint. But this isn't a perfect world. His comments were bad for business and as such... he had to go. Period. How you don't get that is mind blowing to me.

This has nothing to do with the bar that silver set.

 

[The Oi]

Re: So Clippers owner Donald Sterling is extremely racist

The same as I felt before. A large company with an agenda to make money.

Coca Cola and Nestle has bought many fresh water lakes forcing nearby natives to lose their irrigation source for their crops and water to drink.

Companies do what is in the best interest of the company. Not sure why that is surprising. I'm also not sure why you are so vocal about this and not the other inhumane atrocities other companies do in the interest of profit.

Maybe you're naive, or maybe you're trying to defend an illogical opinion. But the fact that Shaq wasn't fined doesn't change my opinion that his controversial incident was no where near as hateful as Sterlings repeated actions. Ignorant? Yes. Filled with malice? No.

If you are trying to use the NBAs lack of response as some type of evidence to sway that opinion, it isn't going to work. The NBAs response to these actions has nothing to do with my opinion. Do I think Sterling should inherently lose his club for his private comments? No. Not from an ideal standpoint. But this isn't a perfect world. His comments were bad for business and as such... he had to go. Period. How you don't get that is mind blowing to me.

You're getting emotional.

You know damn well I'm not naive. Another solid personal attack there.

I've said that I get why it's the easiest decision for the NBA to do what they did. I also said that it's not justified. I understand that the right business decision isn't always the right thing to do. But I've said that people should acknowledge that and be suspicious of the NBA's motives. And I feel that people should keep this example in mind for what the NBAs future punishments for owners will be and evaluate whether they think the most justified decision was made.

I've used their lack of punishment whatsoever of Shaq as an example of what their motives are and to state my opinion that their lack of action against him is wrong. Your acknowledgement of what the NBA is really doing in the Sterling scenario is all I was looking for and whether you see a parallel between Sterling's actions and Shaq's, when something that's wrong is done by an owner...a precedent should be set that all owners should be punished. Not just one.

The majority of the rest of what you're saying I acknowledge and agree with...and have already done so up thread. And you're throwing in rebuttals to arguments I'm not making.

Stay focused on MY argument if you're going to debate with ME.

And...Why would I focus on the atrocities committed by other companies in the Donald Sterling thread? Post a thread about what a glorious humanitarian example Coca Cola has set and I'll focus on that there. Otherwise...the only parallel between Coke and Sterling (both have a history of being assholes) is unrelated to my opinion that I don't feel forcing Sterling to sell is right.

Just because I think cats are assholes but don't think they should all be killed doesn't mean I don't think sharks are assholes too.

 

[Jack Brickman]

Re: So Clippers owner Donald Sterling is extremely racist

This has nothing to do with the bar that silver set.

And the Shaq situation has nothing to do with the Sterling situation. They're literally nothing alike.

Sterling made insanely racist comments about all minorities. He has since refused to issue any statement of apology.

Shaq made fun of one disabled kid, not all disabled people, and even then he likely did it not knowing the kid was disabled. He called the kid almost immediately after finding out what he had done and apologized.

Seriously, comparing these situations is ludicrous. That's not to say Shaq shouldn't be fined, but pretending they are anything alike is doing an injustice to the true scope of Sterling's comments and world view. And pretending that Shaq should see a punishment similar to Sterling is laughable.

 

[Cavsfan1985]

Re: So Clippers owner Donald Sterling is extremely racist

Come on guys, this story is so yesterday. ESPN was able to fill the air time leading up to the NFL draft, now that the draft is here a couple of good game 7 march ups. The sports world as plenty to talk about. This will pick up in June when there is nothing but baseball on.

 

[The Oi]

Re: So Clippers owner Donald Sterling is extremely racist

And the Shaq situation has nothing to do with the Sterling situation. They're literally nothing alike.

Sterling made insanely racist comments about all minorities. He has since refused to issue any statement of apology.

Shaq made fun of one disabled kid, not all disabled people, and even then he likely did it not knowing the kid was disabled. He called the kid almost immediately after finding out what he had done and apologized.

Seriously, comparing these situations is ludicrous. That's not to say Shaq shouldn't be fined, but pretending they are anything alike is doing an injustice to the true scope of Sterling's comments and world view. And pretending that Shaq should see a punishment similar to Sterling is laughable.

It's comparable because they're both owners, they situations came within a week of one another and NOTHING was done about Shaq. It's not ludicrous to compare them for those reasons.

What is ludicrous is not to punish Shaq at all.

Shaq's actions are defensable in that this was a first time and very likely a one time thing. And Sterling's been doing and thinking what he's been thinking and doing...forever. Sterling is and always has been horrible for the NBA since the first time his racism became a public thing. Shaq spent his entire career with the NBA as a larger than life marketing boon.

In any case...Shaq wasn't and won't be punished and Sterling and the NBA will probably be in court until Sterling dies.

The NBA from a marketing standpoint is in a better place than it would have been had it not done what it did and more importantly for the NBA, the viewpoint that removing Sterling's ownership is unjust is the minority viewpoint...and whether it's the "right" viewpoint or not, people will mostly have forgotten this situation a few years from now.

 

[Surge]

Re: So Clippers owner Donald Sterling is extremely racist

Mark Cuban has been fined multiple times for criticizing refs, which replay often shows Cuban is right.

Sterling will lose his team for comments that he surely never meant to become public.

Shaq gets nothing for publicly ridiculing a disabled kid.

Sounds even.

 

[caf]

Re: So Clippers owner Donald Sterling is extremely racist

You're getting emotional.

You know damn well I'm not naive. Another solid personal attack there.

I've said that I get why it's the easiest decision for the NBA to do what they did. I also said that it's not justified. I understand that the right business decision isn't always the right thing to do. But I've said that people should acknowledge that and be suspicious of the NBA's motives. And I feel that people should keep this example in mind for what the NBAs future punishments for owners will be and evaluate whether they think the most justified decision was made.

I've used their lack of punishment whatsoever of Shaq as an example of what their motives are and to state my opinion that their lack of action against him is wrong. Your acknowledgement of what the NBA is really doing in the Sterling scenario is all I was looking for and whether you see a parallel between Sterling's actions and Shaq's, when something that's wrong is done by an owner...a precedent should be set that all owners should be punished. Not just one.

The majority of the rest of what you're saying I acknowledge and agree with...and have already done so up thread. And you're throwing in rebuttals to arguments I'm not making.

Stay focused on MY argument if you're going to debate with ME.

And...Why would I focus on the atrocities committed by other companies in the Donald Sterling thread? Post a thread about what a glorious humanitarian example Coca Cola has set and I'll focus on that there. Otherwise...the only parallel between Coke and Sterling (both have a history of being assholes) is unrelated to my opinion that I don't feel forcing Sterling to sell is right.

Just because I think cats are assholes but don't think they should all be killed doesn't mean I don't think sharks are assholes too.

Up thread we were in agreement about the NBA and the fact that they are a selfish, for-profit company. Which is obvious to me.

You're the one that re-hashed that argument and specifically called me out by name. You already knew my stance on the matter. So why try to whip your dick out when the pissing contest was already over?

You know I have no hate for you. But I'll be damned if I let someone beat a dead horse longer than me. :chuckles:

 

[The Oi]

Re: So Clippers owner Donald Sterling is extremely racist

Up thread we were in agreement about the NBA and the fact that they are a selfish, for-profit company. Which is obvious to me.

You're the one that re-hashed that argument and specifically called me out by name. You already knew my stance on the matter. So why try to whip your dick out when the pissing contest was already over?

You know I have no hate for you. But I'll be damned if I let someone beat a dead horse longer than me. :chuckles:

I just wanted confirmation...

 

[caf]

Re: So Clippers owner Donald Sterling is extremely racist

I just wanted confirmation...

Confirmed.

 

[Toph]

Re: So Clippers owner Donald Sterling is extremely racist

Last night on the TNT broadcast they said Shaq had the night off. I wonder if that's just a coincidence?

Jigo, if it were up to you, what would Shaq's punishment be?

 

[The Oi]

Re: So Clippers owner Donald Sterling is extremely racist

Had Sterling not been commanded to force his team just a few days prior, I'd say Shaq should get off with a very hefty fine. No ban and certainly not being forced to sell his share of the team. I'd say the NBA could have kept it generally quiet in that case without being questioned.

With the Stirling situation having happened immediately before? The NBA should have taken action and it should have taken advantage of the situation rather than sweepin it under the rug. Heftier fine and a public reprimand made by Silver that the NBA doesn't tolerate racism, but that it doesn't tolerate bullying either.

That's it.

 

[shoes22]

That's weak. Doesn't bullying involve *repeated* acts of aggression towards someone, either physical or verbal? With the intent of causing intimidation or harm?

That is not what Shaq did. His actions could be considered offensive, but they're not bullying. l I don't understand why people purposely misrepresent situations to get themselves or other people angry.

I'm sure the criticism Shaq has received for this has ALREADY been a learning experience for him. It wasn't a hate crime.

It's time to quit with the mob and pitchfork mentality and recognize when it's time to let things go.