Summer of 2010

[Thunder]

Found a post on CavsFanatic by a guy who listed the salaries/cap/luxury tax from this season to 2010-2011...

So after some simple math of my own and taking into account the 2010-2011 contracts + 2010 expirings I came up with a pretty simple plan for the Cavs. The guy also estimated the contracts of the 2010+2009 1st and 2nd rd picks if they are even signed.

2010 Summer

Guaranteed Contracts:
Gibson+West+Hickson+Jackson+Williams+2010 1st/2nd+2009 1st/2nd = $27.3 mil
Estimated Cap: $65 mil
Estimated Luxury tax: $79
Left: (65-27.3) = $37.7 mil

FA's:
Chris Bosh/Dwyane Wade - $18 mil/?yrs, LeBron James $21 mil/?yrs
= $39 mil

Left: Other FA's before LeBron is signed, Big
Z/Pav/Wallace able to be re-signed to contracts over
salary cap

Total salaries so far: (39+27.3) - $66.3 mil, $1.3 mil over the cap

PG Mo Williams
SG (Dwyane Wade), Daniel Gibson
SF LeBron James
PF JJ Hickson
C (Chris Bosh)

Bench: Delonte West, Darnell Jackson, (Re-signed Big Z?/other vets signed before LeBron?/Varejao resigned in 2009?), 2010 1st rd pick, 2010 2nd rd pick, 2009 1st rd pick, 2009 2nd rd pick

Roster at 11

We'd already be $1.3 mil over the cap, plus 4 more contracts which could be taken up by all or a combination of Varejao, Z, Ben, and Pavlovic

So we'll be well into the luxury tax (I'm confused, do we start paying after we pass the cap limit or what?) But that team looks like the best team in the league with a big 3 of Bron, Mo, and Wade/Bosh.

I actually see this as VERY possible, most likely someone like Bosh. The only way a guy like Bosh or Amare wouldn't sign is if they wanted that extra year of security and with that probably an extra 21 mil+3 mil for the other 5 yrs so $36 mil extra they could get from their respective teams.

What do you guys think? Is it a good plan? Also a basic explanation on the luxury tax stuff would be appreciated, thanks.

 

[Mdog1]

Ok well as far as I know (not a lot :chuckles LeBron if he opts out puts a hold on the cap, which means that our cap space goes down to 20.7 mil or so. That is just enough to sign a big name player like Bosh, Wade (although looking at his stats he isn't the player I want, ask me why and I will elaborate) or Amare. Then we still have to retain LBJ which may be tough to do if the money is not there. I also do not think that we retain his Bird rights (could be wrong). That means that we have like 0mil to sign anybody, but we can go into the lux tax to sign players.

 

[Thunder]

If LeBron opts out, his salary stays against our cap? WTF, why? Also why not Wade? I'd imagine because he handles the ball as much as or more than LeBron.

 

[Mdog1]

If LeBron opts out, his salary stays against our cap? WTF, why? Also why not Wade? I'd imagine because he handles the ball as much as or more than LeBron.

Well that was the way I gathered it when the person who explained it to me explained it to me. D Wade while being an absolutely astounding player, in fact if HEALTHY he could be top five in the league. There in lies the rup though he can't stay healthy. He has (according to NBA.com) he has only played 62+ games twice in his entire career. That is just not good enough, and in the last two seasons he has only played 51 games. Compare this to LeBron who has played at least 75 games every year for his entire career.

Now if he can prove that he can play and stay healthy in the next two seasons then by all means get him, but if he continues to play hurt and injury prone then I do not need him on this team. We need a player that can play a consistant amount of games to take the pressure off of LeBron.

Amare is a better option to me, although he did hurt his knee he played a good amount of games last season. Bosh has played a lot of games as well and doesn't have the injury problems of the others. He hurt his knee last year, but it did not require surgery like Wade, and Amare's did. Once you have that injury you have a better chance of it happening later on in your career, which Wade, and Amare will be entering towards the end of their contracts here. Bosh is the same age as Lebron which will mean that both will be entering their prime at the exact same time.

 

[Mdog1]

Also this may be way way off base, but I didn't want to start a new thread for it. Why is everyone so sure LeBron is going to NY when Portland will have a ton of cap space, and a boat load of talent to go along with it.

http://www.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/blazers.jsp

 

[calleger]

I would rather have Bosh over D-Wade. D-Wade & LeBron would be too perimeter oriented. Need some interior presence. Also D-Wade just looks like he would be the second coming of Hughes. Maybe better than Hughes, but the stats and injuries suggest that LeBron and D-Wade probably wouldn't work well.

 

[Numbers Guy]

Also this may be way way off base, but I didn't want to start a new thread for it. Why is everyone so sure LeBron is going to NY when Portland will have a ton of cap space, and a boat load of talent to go along with it.

http://www.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/blazers.jsp

Portland doesn't need LeBron.. they already have tons of scoring. Roy, Bayless, Aldridge and Oden all have the potential to average 20 pts a game and all demand the ball... I don't see how LeBron fits into this at all.

 

[Numbers Guy]

I would rather have Bosh over D-Wade. D-Wade & LeBron would be too perimeter oriented. Need some interior presence. Also D-Wade just looks like he would be the second coming of Hughes. Maybe better than Hughes, but the stats and injuries suggest that LeBron and D-Wade probably wouldn't work well.

Did you just compare Larry Hughes to Dwyane Wade? A finals MVP, 4 time all star, and future hall of famer. Not to mention his finals performance was ranked the greatest of all time by ESPN. That is just wrong.

 

[Mdog1]

Did you just compare Larry Hughes to Dwyane Wade? A finals MVP, 4 time all star, and future hall of famer. Not to mention his finals performance was ranked the greatest of all time by ESPN. That is just wrong.

Is this the same ESPN that has LeBron hopping on the next train to NY? To the point of Portland not needing LeBron DUH!! It was a joke nothing more. They won't be able to resign all of those players they just won't, and even if they did have a shot at LBJ then they would need 20mil free which they won't have because they have a lot of players coming off of the books that will need $$$$.

 

[Lee]

If LeBron opts out, his salary stays against our cap? WTF, why? Also why not Wade? I'd imagine because he handles the ball as much as or more than LeBron.

It counts because we do have his birds rights and we have the right to sign him to a higher contract. If we want, we can do what the clippers did with megatte and waive his rights, but that would just mean we dont want lebron back so that would never happen.

Lebron will have bird rights because he wont be traded and has played with us for 3 consecutive seasons or more. His cap hold will be 150% of his previous years salary, which will be $15,779,912. So, his cap hold will be $23,669,868. Curently the max contract for a 7 year vet is 30%. That is the first year it bumps up btw, which is why he wanted to be able to opt out after 7 years...more money (even if he stayes) The current cap is 65 million so 30% is 19.5. But lets assume the cap moves up to 70 million, that means he can start at $21 million. as you can see, $21 million on a new contract is more than the $17.1 he has on his current player option on the 4 year vet contract during the 2011 season.(starts at 20% max of salary cap)

2 things from all the numbers are important. One, this is all about money. Its why he signed essentially a 3 year deal. Its also why wade, melo, bosh and others followed...it made economic sense. More income is better for a players economy, lol. It also shows how little the media knows about contracts or motivation. Being in finance myself, I can tell you how liittle the main stream media knows about the economy, so I wouldnt expect the sports media to understand the contracts. If they did, they would be makin 3 million a year being a gm, not mid 6 figures as a talking head on espn or such.

Other thing is we are better off signing LBJ, then signing a free agent. The cap hold will be greater than his first year salary, so we would have more money under the salary cap if we sign him first. Firther, if we do get a star to come to cleveland, they would want to see Lebron committed long term I would imagine before signing. Unsigned players verbally commit but still jump ship to greener pastures. Ask Boozer or Brand for example.

I hope this clears it up some. Any more questions I will do my best to answer with the knowledge I have. Remember, I am not a NBA GM....I just play one on message boards, lol :chuckles:

 

[calleger]

Did you just compare Larry Hughes to Dwyane Wade? A finals MVP, 4 time all star, and future hall of famer. Not to mention his finals performance was ranked the greatest of all time by ESPN. That is just wrong.

Yes, I compared the two. But just as an example on how I don't think the pairing of D-Wade and LeBron would work. And you are right, D-Wade is in a different realm than Hughes. D-Wade IS what Hughes should have been, but on this team the results would probably be strickingly similiar.

 

[Mdog1]

It counts because we do have his birds rights and we have the right to sign him to a higher contract. If we want, we can do what the clippers did with megatte and waive his rights, but that would just mean we dont want lebron back so that would never happen.

Lebron will have bird rights because he wont be traded and has played with us for 3 consecutive seasons or more. His cap hold will be 150% of his previous years salary, which will be $15,779,912. So, his cap hold will be $23,669,868. Curently the max contract for a 7 year vet is 30%. That is the first year it bumps up btw, which is why he wanted to be able to opt out after 7 years...more money (even if he stayes) The current cap is 65 million so 30% is 19.5. But lets assume the cap moves up to 70 million, that means he can start at $21 million. as you can see, $21 million on a new contract is more than the $17.1 he has on his current player option on the 4 year vet contract during the 2011 season.(starts at 20% max of salary cap)

2 things from all the numbers are important. One, this is all about money. Its why he signed essentially a 3 year deal. Its also why wade, melo, bosh and others followed...it made economic sense. More income is better for a players economy, lol. It also shows how little the media knows about contracts or motivation. Being in finance myself, I can tell you how liittle the main stream media knows about the economy, so I wouldnt expect the sports media to understand the contracts. If they did, they would be makin 3 million a year being a gm, not mid 6 figures as a talking head on espn or such.

Other thing is we are better off signing LBJ, then signing a free agent. The cap hold will be greater than his first year salary, so we would have more money under the salary cap if we sign him first. Firther, if we do get a star to come to cleveland, they would want to see Lebron committed long term I would imagine before signing. Unsigned players verbally commit but still jump ship to greener pastures. Ask Boozer or Brand for example.

I hope this clears it up some. Any more questions I will do my best to answer with the knowledge I have. Remember, I am not a NBA GM....I just play one on message boards, lol :chuckles:

Yeah yeah Ferry that is what they all say. You are just trying to get our trade ideas so you can look like a huge genious if you pull it off. Here is one that I want, Wally, for Melo that is a very fair deal don't you think, I do.

Melo didn't sign the three year deal because he is not smart enough to take LBJ's advice I guess.

 

[Mdog1]

Here is a good question. If we had no choice whatsoever to trade LBJ to another team who would you trade him for that the salaries have to match, why?

 

[calleger]

Trading LBJ will never be a fair deal, due to salaries having to match up. A team would have to throw in 4 first round unprotected picks, 6 second round picks, and any players that team has overseas. Maybe even a 5th first round pick, but that one can be protected. :chuckles:

 

[Lee]

Yeah yeah Ferry that is what they all say. You are just trying to get our trade ideas so you can look like a huge genious if you pull it off. Here is one that I want, Wally, for Melo that is a very fair deal don't you think, I do.

Melo didn't sign the three year deal because he is not smart enough to take LBJ's advice I guess.

Attitude wise and defensive effort, wally wins hands down, lol :chuckles:...in all seriousness, melo makes as much sense as melo. Guys with only one true position, the 3. We already have a guy there you might have heard of. If you want a superstar buddy of LBJ's, dream of wade or bosh. Atleast they would fit in the lineup. Vince for wally would make us the favorites at the trade deadline if I...er I mean ferry can pull it off.