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The 2015 Cleveland Indians

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If the season continues to spiral downward will Antonetti be held accountable by management or will the Dolans just look the other way since no one goes to the games anyways?
Drafting has been poor for years and that does not seem to be brought off enough by the Cleveland media. The lack of talent in the farm system over the past 10 years have been subpar, and the team has had to rely way too much on trades and getting players from other organizations.

It's been mentioned all around outside of the local media that the Indians have drafted much better lately.

We just can't reap the benefits yet. This isn't the NFL or NBA draft, it takes years for these guys to get to the big time.
 
In their 11 wins, the Indians have outscored opponents 78-29. In their 19 losses, they have been outscored 56-119.
 
I still can't picture us winning the division, maybe you do but realistically speaking, that Royals team is something special which has the #1 bullpen and a nice staff with a more than decent lineup. Then you have the kitties.

Our best bet is a wild card which can happen, shouldn't close the door on that. But we'll need to be the best team for over a month to make up the hole were in.

We need a bullpen arm come deadline. Dangling Perez could get the trade done for something good.
 
Defense last year was a huge problem, and it obviously still is. It seems like the team thought Jose Ramirez playing a full year at short stop was going to change everything.
 
You honestly think this club doesn't plan to promote Lindor at any point?

Not sure they thought anything. They are and continue to be stuck- Kipnis is signed long-term, Santana is one of our best bats (and now he is a 400 OBP no. 2 hitter), and the club had to give Chisenhall one last shot after his obscene 1st half. There is nowhere to move all 3 and no real replacement for them. The teams best bet would be a trade, but while they could have ' sold high' on Chisenhall they would have eaten their hat on Kipnis. Ramirez has been a placeholder for Lindor first and secondly he is a prospect who help them as either a replacement for Kipnis, an excellent utility guy, or trade bait. Short of a flurry of trades they were stuck.

Oh, and that article conveniently included Klubers numbers from the best start of his career. By his own admission he has been getting behind hitters and that has led to his struggles. Now maybe Kluber is a liar and doesn't know what's best for himself, maybe Roberto Perez is equally clueless, but both seemed to think he threw much better yesterday than he has all season. Maybe someone needs to show them the advanced stats so Kluber realizes he doesn't need to improve at all, it's just someone else's fault.
 
Defense last year was a huge problem, and it obviously still is. It seems like the team thought Jose Ramirez playing a full year at short stop was going to change everything.

That was the only thing that changed, huh?

Santana not at third, Swisher not at first, Chisenhall with more experience, healthy Kipnis, healthy Bourn, adding Moss.

Defensive improvement should have been expected. They need to meet that challenge.
 
That was the only thing that changed, huh?

Santana not at third, Swisher not at first, Chisenhall with more experience, healthy Kipnis, healthy Bourn, adding Moss.

Defensive improvement should have been expected. They need to meet that challenge.
Santana played 29 games at 3rd last year, and Swisher played 52 games at 1st. While as bad as they were, it was still a poor overall unit. Bourn has statistically been a poor defender since he arrived. Kipnis and Chisenhall have improved though, which is encouraging

The main culprits are Brantley, Bourn, Ramirez, and the bench as a whole (Raburn, Aviles, Murphy). Not sure what's going on with Ramirez given how he did last year and what he has been advertised as defensively, but going in we knew Brantley and Bourn were below average in the outfield. I don't have the numbers to support this claim, but I would assume that SS, LF, and CF see the most action throughout a season, and statistically this year the Indians have a poor defender at each spot. That's hard to overcome. Brantley you can live with because he's the best hitter on the team (His back problem is contributing to him currently having his worst defensive season, but he was below average two years ago, and was worse than that last year). They're stuck with Bourn through next year, and Ramirez until he either returns to last years form, or until they feel Lindor is ready.
 
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Brantley is seemingly a statistical anomaly in the outfield, he's more than adequate out there and the Indians have backed this up by claiming they have their own defensive metrics which say so.

Santana, despite playing in so few games...still managed a staggering -5 DRS in that time. Swisher with a -4 over those 52 games at first.

You expect Santana, Chisenhall and Kipnis to get better as they're still relatively inexperienced at the positions they play.

Couple that with a healthy Bourn and the addition of Moss...I'll say again that defensive progress is a reasonable expectation.
 
I know this might not be surprising and more importantly that it doesn't always correlate with wins(individually or team), but we continue to be the best staff as far as strikeouts(much to the glee of Pyro)

We have the 3 top K/9 pitchers in the American league and 4 of the top 6th.

I was surprised to see that Salazar actually has the highest K/9 rate over Kluber. Health allowing, I think you have to at least hold out hope that whether this year or next having good young locked up pitching will lead to more wins than losses.

Getting healthy, the bats finally warming up, and the 7-3 record over the past 10 at least give some hope that we can get back into the Wild Card race.
 
Tigers were 1/6th of the way there at one point, now just a game ahead of the Indians.

Indians started 7-14 to dig themselves a hole, the Tigers have gone 8-14 since May 13.

Funny how that works out.
 
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Instead, the Minnesota Twins everyone said would suck have taken their place. Same shit different team.

Will say that having a rotation like ours has me gaining some hope. Its hard to imagine we wont have a shot at the WC if they pitch close to this well all summer.
 
Why Cleveland has the best – and most futuristic – rotation in baseball
By Jeff PassanJune 4, 2015 Yahoo Sports


Part of life as a small-market, low-revenue team like the Cleveland Indians is experimentation. Papering over mistakes with more cash simply isn’t an option, so it forces creativity, ingenuity and, most important, unanimity. No organization in baseball embraces and applies new ideas quite like the Indians, and what’s already the richest starting staff in the game is bound to get better because of it.

With Corey Kluber, Carlos Carrasco, Danny Salazar and Trevor Bauer, who starts Thursday night in a series-wrapping game against Kansas City, the Indians have four of the most desirable – and rarest – commodities in baseball: hard-throwing, strikeout-producing, young, under-control starting pitchers. The single most misleading statistic of the 2015 season is the ERA of Indians starting pitchers.


Tim Hudson and Mark Mulder were to the 2000s, they can be to the 2010s.


“You’ve got at least four guys who are capable of putting up crazy numbers,” Bauer said. “You look at the staffs like Maddux, Glavine and Smoltz and the kinds of numbers they were able to put up. They’re considered one of the best staffs of all time. And the A’s staff, with Zito and Hudson and Mulder and [Rich] Harden. You start looking at those numbers and say, ‘Is that within the realm of what we can do?’ Yeah. Probably so. If everyone stays healthy, I would expect over the next four or five years, we have a chance.”

Cleveland’s devotion to pitching runs deep in the organization, where it has hired and unleashed player-development personnel whose philosophies don’t exactly run parallel to baseball’s deeply ingrained thinking on how to grow pitchers. Assistant director of player development Eric Binder came from the Texas Baseball Ranch, the pitching think tank run by independent coach Ron Wolforth, who helped fix Scott Kazmir and has grown more mainstream in recent years.

Binder’s use of weighted baseballs – regular-sized balls made with heavier material, up to 21 ounces – is pervasive among the Indians’ minor league affiliates. The idea behind weighted-ball use is to force the arm to pattern itself properly using heavier balls and build up additional arm strength and velocity along the way. Some programs include underweight balls, too – Bauer throws some as light as two ounces – to help pitchers emphasize deceleration of the arm.

Carter Hawkins, who started as an intern in the scouting department, oversees all player development and has allowed Binder to institute a full weighted-ball program among young pitchers. Ruben Niebla, the Indians’ minor league pitching coordinator, has made sure it’s being used across the affiliates. And Derek Falvey, the Indians’ director of baseball operations and, in the eyes of many, a future general manager, oversees the Indians’ whole pitching program.

The dedication trickles down on the field, too. Mickey Callaway, the Indians’ big-league pitching coach, went to Driveline Baseball, a Seattle-area training center where Bauer spends part of his offseasons, to understand how Bauer trained. During spring training, Callaway threw the weighted balls to understand what players might get from them.

“They actually believe you can develop players and that they don’t just develop by pitching in games and getting more reps,” Bauer said. “You can actually increase the development process. They’re always open and looking for new strategies, differing technologies, instead of shunning new ideas because that’s not how they did it 20 years ago.”

Bauer is, as he put it so well, “the whipping boy and the poster child at the same time” for neo-pitching philosophies. Much of the acceptance of weighted balls and other training devices like the Shoulder Tube – a long, oscillating stick whose nicknames include “wiggle stick,” “cattle prod,” “javelin” and a number of unprintables – depends on Bauer’s success. And with a 2.97 ERA this season, backed by a FIP about a third of a run higher, the 24-year-old Bauer is holding up his end.

On occasion, the 25-year-old Salazar will ask Bauer if he can use the Shoulder Tube, which uses rhythmic stabilization to encourage stronger shoulder muscles while keeping range of motion. And the 28-year-old Carrasco – who, along with Kluber, 29, signed a long-term contract this offseason that locked him in with Cleveland through 2020 – is a regular weighted-ball adherent. Carrasco throws seven- and 14-ounce implements, just like Shaun Marcum, the Indians’ fifth starter.

“The team is very open minded,” Marcum said. “Obviously with Trevor. And introducing the weighted balls on the minor-league side. The guys I’ve talked with on the program like it a lot.”

During spring training, Marcum, Bauer and others wore the mThrow pitching sleeve, which has an embedded sensor that sends kinematic data live to a computer via Bluetooth. While there were some snags with the device – Marcum said the battery died too quickly, and Bauer’s sensor slipped out of place – the Indians’ desire for more data and a better sense of what their pitchers are doing speaks to their principles.

“There are smart people who are constantly trying to learn,” Indians manager Terry Francona said. “Our medical staff and guys who are involved in pitching – we’re fortunate. We have some great people, and not necessarily all of them have to be in uniform.”

So much of the trouble with new ideas is the eggheads in the front office will dream them up only to see them die on the field. The Indians are committed to breaking that cycle. With shortstop Francisco Lindor and third baseman Giovanny Urshela, they’ve got two Gold Glove-caliber fielders primed and waiting at Triple-A. Their bats have come around enough to push Cleveland to the cusp of .500, which, in the American League, is plenty for wild-card contention. Now it’s up to the pitching, the crown jewel of the Indians’ organization, to do its best Maddux-Glavine-Smoltz/Zito-Hudson-Mulder imitation. It’s not the only chance a small-market club like the Indians have. It’s just the best.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/why-cl...uristic-–-rotation-in-baseball-184723253.html
 
I'm hoping for Zach Walters just for the pure outrage that would follow
 

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