The Andre Drummond Thread

[Tornicade]

or weve seen similiar highlight reel machine get shut down in the playoffs.

I wish someone would explain to me why a guy with an offensive rating of 121. sees his team score 5 more points per 100 possessions when he is off the court.

 

[metalman213]

Says alot that the only comp they could find is a multi time All-star all-nba player.

The people who nit-pick Drummond's game are not seeing the forest through the trees.

At the position he plays and the age he is what he is doing very rare. There are absolutely areas of his game that need work, but he is wildly ahead of schedule right now at his age on the development scale of 6'11/280 big men.

Disparages Grant when he uses advanced metrics to pick players

Uses advanced metrics to prove how amazing Drummond is.

 

[Spencer Hawes]

or weve seen similiar highlight reel machine get shut down in the playoffs.

I wish someone would explain to me why a guy with an offensive rating of 121. sees his team score 5 more points per 100 possessions when he is off the court.

Wow, you went from, "he's gonna get his ass handed to him by NBA starters" before the season started, to "getting shut down in the playoffs" and we're just a 1/4 of the way through the NBA season.

 

[Spencer Hawes]

A couple quick pieces of evidence:

A: He's shooting under 40% from the line. It's kind of strange to talk about a guy like he's one of the best centers in the game when he's gonna stay glued to the bench in the final minutes of any meaningful game.

B: He has the worst plus/minus this season out of all the Pistons' regular rotation players. If he's such a star, why is he having a negative effect on his team's bottom line?

A. What evidence do you have of this. I see him finishing close games. Do you even watch Detroit games? Ben Wallace shot 41% for his career and that didn't stop him from finishing games. Besides, when has a hack-a-whatever player been strategy that worked?

B. Who's calling him a "STAR" right now? Names please? I guees +/- is a team's bottom line and not wins/losses.

 

[Tornicade]

Actually I started out with the opinion his skills wouldnt serve well in the playoff in a 7 game season. then as he progress he still had steps to take which i pointed out.
your attempts to show some inconsitency is rather futile since i have been rather consistent.

Im still not sure the pistons wouldnt be a better team without him.

but let me resummarize what I have since from day one.

He has no post game.
He has no range game outside of three feet.
He will struggle when teams block him out.
He is a human highlight reel on what he can do.
He looks to have limited growth
His free throw shooting is a liability.

He has shown that you cant just go out and just apply a hack a shaq tactic because it actually gets him the ball more but you can be selective and foul him on key possessions.

I also think he hurts the team offense because he cant leave the restricted area because he has to get his previous rebounds.

I give Dumars credit masking his deficiencies as much as possible. getting Jennings do buy into a pass first mentality and the workhorses on the team bringing them wins not getting peturbed watching Drummond get all the credit.

 

[Stark]

I don't understand how a professional basketball player shoots below 40% on free throws. That's pathetic as hell.

That's why I couldn't stand when we had Shaq and Wallace here.

 

[Spencer Hawes]

Actually I started out with the opinion his skills wouldnt serve well in the playoff in a 7 game season. then as he progress he still had steps to take which i pointed out.
your attempts to show some inconsitency is rather futile since i have been rather consistent.

Im still not sure the pistons wouldnt be a better team without him.

but let me resummarize what I have since from day one.

He has no post game.
He has no range game outside of three feet.
He will struggle when teams block him out.
He is a human highlight reel on what he can do.
He looks to have limited growth
His free throw shooting is a liability.

He has shown that you cant just go out and just apply a hack a shaq tactic because it actually gets him the ball more but you can be selective and foul him on key possessions.

I also think he hurts the team offense because he cant leave the restricted area because he has to get his previous rebounds.

I give Dumars credit masking his deficiencies as much as possible. getting Jennings do buy into a pass first mentality and the workhorses on the team bringing them wins not getting peturbed watching Drummond get all the credit.

I find it hilarious that he might make the all-star game with so many holes in his game. What were the coaches thinking if he gets in!

 

[mAo_mAo]

I think the holes in AD's game are the same reasons why NBA pundits (like me) are very intrigued by him. Yes he has no post game, yes he has very limited range, yes he has atrocious ft percentage but he is producing at a very efficient clip. That is amazing. At 20 years old, younger than most rookies this year, do you guys think he will not improve on those areas? To say he will not is stupid.

 

[davedugan43]

Waiters over Drummond, the Waterloo of Grants' career.

Holy overreaction, Batman. We didn't draft Luke Wagner over Shaq. Come down off your hyperbole horse. Waiters is a fine NBA player. Drummond is really good, but Waiters will justify his drafting soon enough.

 

[Birdy89]

Don't look now, but after a 6-8 night at the line it is going to boost his season average to 41%.

Still abysmal, but in his 8 games this month he actually is at 49%. It is at least trending in a better direction. Must be putting in time with Coach Sheed.

 

[Rich]

I'm gonna have to start watching the Pistons. For the life of me I don't know why Drummond is shooting 15 FTs a night. Teams should go to Hack-a-Drummond early and often.

 

[Birdy89]

I'm gonna have to start watching the Pistons. For the life of me I don't know why Drummond is shooting 15 FTs a night. Teams should go to Hack-a-Drummond early and often.

Most of his offensive touches come off lobs, fast breaks and offensive rebounds where guys don't really have time to hack him.

Besides, they aren't that great a team so they aren't ahead that often where playing hack a Drummond is really necessary.

 

[Spencer Hawes]

Don't look now, but after a 6-8 night at the line it is going to boost his season average to 41%.

Still abysmal, but in his 8 games this month he actually is at 49%. It is at least trending in a better direction. Must be putting in time with Coach Sheed.

That's blasphemy to the haters! Someone that young can never improve their free throw shooting nor develop an offensive game!

 

[Triumph36]

That's funny because he was just in ESPN's top 25 under 25 ranked 3rd. Ahead of Kyrie (which pissed me off) among many others. No other Cav on list. Doesn't seem the professionals deem him overrated at all.


PPG: 13.5BPG: 1.4RPG: 13.03-YR WARP: 46.3

Elhassan: Probably already the best rebounder in the NBA, Drummond's combination of size, elite athleticism and motor give him the ability to impact the game every time he steps on the court. He's still raw in terms of skill and feel, but the instincts are there.

Thorpe: He is nowhere near the same player in a fast game as he is in a more deliberate half-court game. Drummond has the ability to both outrace bigs end-to-end or earn deep post position in early offense. Doing so significantly elevates Detroit's offense and makes him a far more dynamic player.

Pelton: Dwight Howard is the only player with a similarity score better than 90 compared to Drummond, who could become the fourth-youngest All-Star ever after Kobe Bryant, LeBron James and Magic Johnson.

Can post the rest if necassary.

http://http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/10110549/nba-anthony-davis-paul-george-james-harden-top-players-age-25

drummond behind ahead of kyrie in that specific ranking type is perfectly fine.

 

[Spencer Hawes]

I'm gonna have to start watching the Pistons. For the life of me I don't know why Drummond is shooting 15 FTs a night. Teams should go to Hack-a-Drummond early and often.

So which starter is gonna get in foul trouble first and put Detroit in penalty FT shooting mode in the first 10 minutes of each quarter? Maybe start a scrub and tell him to use up his fouls but then they will be playing 4v5 on offense? What if Drummond goes on a free throw shooting tear and makes 50% lol. It sounds good and all but I can't think of that kind of strategy ever working out for the team that employs it. I think if any teams emply a hack-a-whatever, that is a direct message to everyone on the team that they're not good enough to beat a team straight up or the coaching staff is completely inept.