The Brian Hoyer thread...

[SixPACK]

I've proven tremendous at it. Can't think of anything, at least within the last three months or so I've been wrong about.

I like how you put the "Or so" in there....

in 2 more days, you will be right about that

 

[godfather]

What are you using to measure these guys? Am I not allowed to use statistics to be objective? Because statistically, every single one of those guys have Hoyer. And I picked all guys who have similar records as well.

Not sure what you're looking for?

I've given Hoyer plenty of props. Really like him.

I'm saying it's subjective, you can argue some of them might be playing better. But are any one of those guys clearly playing better than Hoyer? Sure, some have thrown for more touchdowns, but Hoyer has also done a better job with ball security, which counts a lot for me.

I've watched Cutler play. He is playing with an extraordinary offense, they are very explosive on that side of the ball. Yet he still finds ways to lose, because, well, he's Jay Cutler.

He'll play so well throughout the game, then will make that one crucial mistake that ends up costing his team the game. He's single handily responsible for some of those Ls.

 

[The Oi]

Sure, some have thrown for more touchdowns

Yeah and more yards too. And won more games.

but Hoyer has also done a better job with ball security, which counts a lot for me.

More than scoring points?

I've watched Cutler play. He is playing with an extraordinary offense, they are very explosive on that side of the ball. Yet he still finds ways to lose, because, well, he's Jay Cutler.

He'll play so well throughout the game, then will make that one crucial mistake that ends up costing his team the game. He's single handily responsible for some of those Ls.

He's got Hoyer in every statistical category other than INT's. He is a shitty leader and a loser though, so I'll give him to you.

 

[AZ_]

What are you using to measure these guys? Am I not allowed to use statistics to be objective? Because statistically, every single one of those guys have Hoyer, with the exception of turnovers. And I picked all guys who have similar records as well.

Not sure what you're looking for?

I've given Hoyer plenty of props. Really like him.

I mean, Brees doesn't have him...Judging solely on the last four games...I guess.

Cutler too, though both have a substantial TD lead over Hoyer.

 

[AZ_]

He's got Hoyer in every statistical category other than INT's. He is a shitty leader and a loser though, so I'll give him to you.

And YPA, which really only means he's thrown more times and had more possessions to put those numbers up.

In terms of efficiency, he's not very efficient. But I do agree with you on just about all the others.

 

[The Oi]

Brees threw three picks in the last game and strug

And YPA, which really only means he's thrown more times and had more possessions to put those numbers up.

In terms of efficiency, he's not very efficient. But I do agree with you on just about all the others.

Help me come up with projections for the rest of Hoyer and Cutler's seasons tho.

 

[godfather]

If we're arguing fantasy, yeah, those QB's have him beat. Hey, don't get me wrong, they are better than Hoyer overall. Right now, when it comes to putting your team in the best place to win, he's right there with them.

Cutler is talented, more talented than Hoyer. He can make all the throws, but always has a brain fart, or two, that really screws your team up. Hoyer has been much more methodical. I value ball security. I don't want a QB to just dink, and dunk, he needs to make plays with his arm. Hoyer has done that, without being wreckless, and I like that.

I hope I haven't put the jinx on him, ah hell, I should just say he sucks, so he continues playing this well.

 

[Maximus]

Peyton Manning, Andrew Luck, Philip Rivers, Matt Ryan, Aaron Rodgers, Russ Wilson, Drew Brees, Jay Cutler, Eli Manning. Close with Romo and Roethlisberger.

So there's probably around 10. Which of those guys do you think haven't been better than Hoyer?

How has Jay Cutler been playing better? They are 2-3 and he has thrown 6 picks. I've watched parts of 3 of his games and he has a ton of head scratching plays...actually i think he is playing like shit considering the weapons he has. Alshon Jeffreys, Brandon Marshall, Martellus Bennett, Santonio Holmes and Matt Forte are the weapons he is throwing to. How are they compared to our cast in the first 4 games?

This goes back to a point i made earlier, who is playing better than Hoyer that is in a worse situation? Not many...

By the way, i think it's a myth that many here are arguing Hoyer is a top 10 QB...maybe a small handful. IF he can keep on doing what he's been doing, get a healthy Cameron, get Gordon back that number may grow. I also see no reason to think that after starting only 7 games and coming off an injury that he has peaked. Will he get much better? I doubt it. Could he? Sure.

 

[Randolphkeys]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...rian-hoyer-i-showed-cleveland-i-can-be-its-qb


Browns' Brian Hoyer: I showed Cleveland I can be its QB

Brian Hoyer is looking more and more like a starting quarterback without a backup problem.

He should be confident enough after capping the biggest road comeback in NFL history, and, as Gregg Rosenthal points out in his weekly QB index, he's hitting on many of the low-percentage throws that you expect from the top-tier starters in football.

But now, that confidence seems to be on display off the field, too.

In a recent sit-down with FOX Sports, Hoyer talks about his lukewarm relationship with Johnny Manziel and gets into his feelings about being Cleveland's starting signal-caller.

"From the outside, people probably don't think we like each other much, but we have a great quarterback room," Hoyer said. "Are we best friends? No. But there's 53 guys in there, you're not going to have 53 best friends. Johnny is a very polarizing figure and he brings a lot of fans with him, whether they're Cleveland fans or national fans. But I think being from here and having the success I did, I think I showed the people of Cleveland that I was more than capable of being their quarterback."

The last line is telling. When is the last time the Browns have had a quarterback take ownership over his role like Hoyer has?

 

[AZ_]

We can keep harping on the "lack" of weapons Hoyer has at his disposal as opposed to Cutler, but it hasn't proved a valid argument thus far.

Hawkins has been flat our unguardable, Gabriel and Benjamin have emerged as serious threats deep. Obvious Barnidge is going to Barnidge, his prowess stands along among the rest.

The weapons have been open and available for Hoyer all season, maybe that's more a compliment to Kyle Shanahan than anything else but it's impossible to watch those games and not see Hoyer throwing to open receivers.

 

[The Oi]

How has Jay Cutler been playing better? They are 2-3 and he has thrown 6 picks. I've watched parts of 3 of his games and he has a ton of head scratching plays...actually i think he is playing like shit considering the weapons he has. Alshon Jeffreys, Brandon Marshall, Martellus Bennett, Santonio Holmes and Matt Forte are the weapons he is throwing to. How are they compared to our cast in the first 4 games?

This goes back to a point i made earlier, who is playing better than Hoyer that is in a worse situation? Not many...

By the way, i think it's a myth that many here are arguing Hoyer is a top 10 QB...maybe a small handful. IF he can keep on doing what he's been doing, get a healthy Cameron, get Gordon back that number may grow. I also see no reason to think that after starting only 7 games and coming off an injury that he has peaked. Will he get much better? I doubt it. Could he? Sure.

Fine. You can have Cutler, because I'm not willing to dedicate any more time arguing about that sniveling prick. I don't like him.

 

[MoFlo]

We can keep harping on the "lack" of weapons Hoyer has at his disposal as opposed to Cutler, but it hasn't proved a valid argument thus far.

Hawkins has been flat our unguardable, Gabriel and Benjamin have emerged as serious threats deep. Obvious Barnidge is going to Barnidge, his prowess stands along among the rest.

The weapons have been open and available for Hoyer all season, maybe that's more a compliment to Kyle Shanahan than anything else but it's impossible to watch those games and not see Hoyer throwing to open receivers.

I've seen a lot of "Yes, he's playing good, but he's still Brian Hoyer & he won't be among the elite."

And I agree, he won't be an elite QB. However, that doesn't mean he can't be a pretty damn good QB & be able to be the starting QB of a contender.

Back to the quote though, I can say the same thing about the weapons. Taylor Gabriel & Travis Benjamin are playing great, but they're still Gabriel & Benjamin. They have proven about as much (definitely less in Gabriel's case) as weapons as Hoyer has proven at QB.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Hoyer's been the only reason for the offensive success. The line has been outstanding, the running game has been fantastic, and the receiving corps has been playing great as well.

 

[Soda]

I've seen a lot of "Yes, he's playing good, but he's still Brian Hoyer & he won't be among the elite."

And I agree, he won't be an elite QB. However, that doesn't mean he can't be a pretty damn good QB & be able to be the starting QB of a contender.

Back to the quote though, I can say the same thing about the weapons. Justin Gabriel & Travis Benjamin are still Gabriel & Benjamin. They have proven about as much (definitely less in Gabriel's case) as weapons as Hoyer has proven at QB.

The take that Gabriel and Benjamin are raising Hoyer's level of play is mind-blowing to me. It's obviously part offensive scheme. It's also Hoyer's timing, understanding of their lack of size, pocket awareness, etc. that allows him to fit balls in places where his guys can get it...

 

[AZ_]

The take that Gabriel and Benjamin are raising Hoyer's level of play is mind-blowing to me. It's obviously part offensive scheme. It's also Hoyer's timing, understanding of their lack of size, pocket awareness, etc. that allows him to fit balls in places where his guys can get it...

Absolutely no reason it can't be both.

 

[AZ_]

I've seen a lot of "Yes, he's playing good, but he's still Brian Hoyer & he won't be among the elite."

And I agree, he won't be an elite QB. However, that doesn't mean he can't be a pretty damn good QB & be able to be the starting QB of a contender.

Back to the quote though, I can say the same thing about the weapons. Justin Gabriel & Travis Benjamin are playing great, but they're still Gabriel & Benjamin. They have proven about as much (definitely less in Gabriel's case) as weapons as Hoyer has proven at QB.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Hoyer's been the only reason for the offensive success. The line has been outstanding, the running game has been fantastic, and the receiving corps has been playing great as well.

I don't disagree with any of this, except for calling Taylor Gabriel by the wrong name.

Nobody is claiming Billy Hoyer hasn't been among the key reasons for the offensive success thus far.